ryo-modal VS xah-fly-keys

Compare ryo-modal vs xah-fly-keys and see what are their differences.

ryo-modal

Roll your own modal mode (by Kungsgeten)

xah-fly-keys

the most efficient keybinding for emacs (by xahlee)
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ryo-modal

Posts with mentions or reviews of ryo-modal. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-01-08.
  • Ask HN: Best way to experiment with text text editing?
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 8 Jan 2023
    To build on what others are saying about Emacs, if you start exploring the package ecosystem, you're going to see quite a lot of really interesting packages that are related to improving/experimenting with the UX of editing text. While I'm not endorsing anyone in particular, I think what this list does show is just how easy it is to do pretty much whatever you want in Emacs;

    https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/

    https://github.com/jyp/boon

    https://github.com/clemera/objed

    https://github.com/jmorag/kakoune.el

    https://github.com/meow-edit/meow/

    https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys

    https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal

    https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode

    Emacs 29 also now has treesitter and LSP mode integration built-in, a compilation mode, a comint mode for REPLs, excellent file browsing packages (I use dired/dirvish), and a few other killer features.

    Now, if what you truly dislike are "quirky editors", prepare yourself for a world of hurt because vanilla Emacs departs quite a bit from "modern" text editors. I struggled with this for a while, but eventually by buying into the paradigm, I now feel that when emacs try emulating "modern" IDE features like autocompletion, LSP, and DAP UI, I feel like it's a regression, not a progression. The point here is that you might have an "idea" of what good initial UX and lack of quirks would look like, but Emacs might change the way you think.

  • Evil keybinding for emacs from scratch
    6 projects | /r/emacs | 5 Nov 2022
    If it's the latter and you're looking for a way to set up vim/evil like keybindings yourself (separate links for each), Modalka, RYO-modal, and Meow (and probably a few dozen others 'cause emacs) allow you to do that.
  • Nested/conditional keybindings to navigate in text
    4 projects | /r/emacs | 14 Sep 2022
    You can write custom commands that wrap a little bit of logic around the standard movement commands. Or another option would be to look at ryo-modal or meow.
  • How to get doom emacs keybindings?
    5 projects | /r/emacs | 14 Jun 2022
    Along with General, you can take a look at some other packages for keybindings and modal editing. A good option is RollYourOwn Modal mode. In the documentation there, it also lists several other packages with pre-defined bindings. Xah-Fly-Keys is specifically designed for ergonomics and may be interesting to explore.
  • Why not use Evil in 2022?
    5 projects | /r/emacs | 7 Apr 2022
    Because you can roll your own modal mode. This particular approach will make the experience convenient in the way you actually prefer (Emacs' extensibility at its finest) and it'll allow you to slowly move towards the modal editing if it happens to be convenient for you.
  • Lapce
    21 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 17 Mar 2022
  • "I'll just install EVIL"
    4 projects | /r/emacs | 2 Dec 2021
    Similar to Meow is ryo-modal. What I like about ryo-modal is that it is completely unopinionated and does nothing by default, and instead just provides the tools to make your own modal editing system.
  • Layer keys
    2 projects | /r/emacs | 8 Oct 2021
    I was thinking that combining this functionality with something like ryo-modal could make for a very satisfying and efficient modal keybind system. However, it doesn't seem like there's any ready made way to do this in Emacs.
  • Think which-key update breaks ryo-modal
    1 project | /r/emacs | 25 Jun 2021
  • How to make ryo-modal not insert the non-mapped keys?
    1 project | /r/emacs | 4 May 2021
    ryo-modal is a package for creating modal keymaps. I want to test it, but I need a little help.

xah-fly-keys

Posts with mentions or reviews of xah-fly-keys. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-01-08.
  • Software development is not carpentry. Almost everything a developer writes is unique, they have never built that particular thing before. We are not cabinet makers repeating a variation of something we've built hundreds of times before.
    1 project | /r/programmingcirclejerk | 27 Mar 2023
    lol no xah-fly-keys
  • Ask HN: Best way to experiment with text text editing?
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 8 Jan 2023
    To build on what others are saying about Emacs, if you start exploring the package ecosystem, you're going to see quite a lot of really interesting packages that are related to improving/experimenting with the UX of editing text. While I'm not endorsing anyone in particular, I think what this list does show is just how easy it is to do pretty much whatever you want in Emacs;

    https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/

    https://github.com/jyp/boon

    https://github.com/clemera/objed

    https://github.com/jmorag/kakoune.el

    https://github.com/meow-edit/meow/

    https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys

    https://github.com/Kungsgeten/ryo-modal

    https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode

    Emacs 29 also now has treesitter and LSP mode integration built-in, a compilation mode, a comint mode for REPLs, excellent file browsing packages (I use dired/dirvish), and a few other killer features.

    Now, if what you truly dislike are "quirky editors", prepare yourself for a world of hurt because vanilla Emacs departs quite a bit from "modern" text editors. I struggled with this for a while, but eventually by buying into the paradigm, I now feel that when emacs try emulating "modern" IDE features like autocompletion, LSP, and DAP UI, I feel like it's a regression, not a progression. The point here is that you might have an "idea" of what good initial UX and lack of quirks would look like, but Emacs might change the way you think.

  • Is the dygma raise right for me?
    1 project | /r/ErgoMechKeyboards | 5 Dec 2022
    Another consideration is that some editors make heavy use of key chords, which aren't so ergo friendly. Emacs in particular is notorious with how it uses the Ctrl key. I highly recommend switching to an editor with modal keybindings like NeoVim, or alternatively, your existing editor may have a Vim keybindings mode or extension. For instance Emacs has Evil mode and xah-fly-keys. Another route to circumventing chords is you can use one-shot modifiers (aka sticky modifiers) or define macros.
  • Home row mods for sequences and Emacs
    2 projects | /r/ergodox | 26 Nov 2022
    More radically, you might find a modal interface easier and more comfortable to use with HRMs, like Vim's, or staying within Emacs, using Evil mode or Xah fly keys.
  • xah-fly-keys: the most efficient keybinding for emacs
    1 project | /r/planetemacs | 7 Sep 2022
  • Share Your 'other-window' Commands
    2 projects | /r/emacs | 6 Sep 2022
    I use xah-fly-keys. In command mode, on a QWERTY keyboard, the comma key moves the cursor to the next window.
  • Anyone tried a heavily customized key-map for evil mode?
    2 projects | /r/emacs | 26 Apr 2022
  • ∑ Xah Code
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 10 Apr 2022
    > Long love ergomacs!

    I recently stumbled over, and started using (and modifying) Xah's "xah-fly-keys" emacs bindings, which are a somewhat more radical implementation of the ideas behind ergoemacs (e.g. use Emacs without any "chording", i.e. without ever having to press two keys at once apart from shift+letter).

    [1] https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys

  • Replace (almost) all your programs with emacs!
    6 projects | /r/linuxmasterrace | 30 Mar 2022
    *xah-fly-keys
  • Optimal layout for vim
    2 projects | /r/vim | 27 Mar 2022
    I made it myself, but it was largely inspired by "xah fly keys": https://github.com/xahlee/xah-fly-keys

What are some alternatives?

When comparing ryo-modal and xah-fly-keys you can also consider the following projects:

meow - Yet another modal editing on Emacs / 猫态编辑

modalka - Modal editing your way

evil-collection - A set of keybindings for evil-mode

kakoune.el - A very simple simulation of the kakoune editor inside of emacs.

spacemacs - A community-driven Emacs distribution - The best editor is neither Emacs nor Vim, it's Emacs *and* Vim!

emacs.d - Personal Emacs configurations

kmonad - An advanced keyboard manager

emacs-baboon - My new Emacs config with use-package

kmonad - An advanced keyboard manager [Moved to: https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad]

.emacs.d - My current Emacs setup.