ring VS Quarkus

* HTTP: Ring is the de facto way to manage HTTP request (see https://github.com/ring-clojure/ring/wiki/Concepts). Jetty and Aleph are common web servers (and https://github.com/clj-commons/aleph) that implement Ring interface.

https://youtu.be/LcpbBth7FaQ (really cool live coding session with REPL-driven development for a ring web app)

> In the HTTP handlers it makes sense that you don't have return values, because: What would you do with that value exactly?

I think that approach used by clojure's ring shows an elegant way to represent http responses https://github.com/ring-clojure/ring/wiki/Concepts#responses. They are essentially structs with the following fields:

status := number

headers := map of string->string

body := stream | string | seq | inputstream

Request handlers are handed a request struct that is similar. The handler is a function that maps a request to a response (it doesn't actually write to streams itself).

I like this style for an http library for a couple of reasons:

1. HTTP resources can be viewed as functions whose domain is the request, and range is the response. Having the abstraction match that makes for really nice code.

While you won't find your Spring here, you will find that many of those web libraries will tend to use or produce Hiccup, return Ring maps or maybe have pipelines built using interceptors. Composing libraries together is usually not that hard, but it does require you to leave the comfort zone of the framework's abstractions to try to understand what is actually happening e.g. when someone makes an HTTP request and something is returned and displayed in the browser.

On that note, are you able to support everything required by the ring spec?

You can check out my example project in Clojure with using Ring.

It uses already mentioned ring api (https://github.com/ring-clojure/ring/wiki).

I've tried to pair down to the simplest example which shows the issue, and raised it here as I couldn't see one you'd already created or similar: https://github.com/ring-clojure/ring/issues/436 This is so that I have something to link to/follow from our side, hope you don't mind, and many thanks for the diagnosis!

Meanwhile, if you're building something smaller than Netflix, I'm writing a book just for that (https://opinionatedlaunch.com/).

It's about mobile apps, but I talk about backend at great length, especially since my background is Java. The book is called "opinionated" because I cover Quarkus (https://quarkus.io/), monolith, Fly.io, and no K8s.

Quarkus is a Java based framework tailored for GraalVM and HotSpot, which results in an amazingly fast boot time while having an incredibly low memory footprint. It offers near instant scale up and high density memory utilization which can be very useful for container orchestration platforms like Kubernetes or Serverless runtimes like AWS Lambda.

Other useful articles related to Quarkus extension development can be found under the Writing Extensions guide category on the Quarkus.io website.

Quarkus is one of Java frameworks for microservices development and cloud-native deployment. It is developed as container-first stack and working with GraalVM and HotSpot virtual machines (VM).

If you GraalVM Native Image or one of the frameworks based on it then bootstrap cost disappears:

https://quarkus.io

We are open to practice using any open-source project, however, we want to set a sharp focus on projects maintained by the Red Hat, and our own projects in the Caravana Cloud organization on github. If there is no reason to do differently, we'll build using technologies such as OpenShift, Quarkus, Ansible and related projects.

The Quarkus you are talking about is this one? https://quarkus.io/