rich4clojure
babashka
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2.7 | 9.2 | |
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Clojure | Clojure | |
Eclipse Public License 1.0 | Eclipse Public License 1.0 |
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rich4clojure
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How did you transition from C-style language to clojure ? I am having a hard time letting go of how I've been programming all my life.
The old 4Clojure site is not available any longer. I can (in a highly biased way) recommend using Rich4CLojure in the comfort of your favorite editor.
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Clojure – Differences with Other Lisps
I've been messing with Clojure/ClojureScript for a few years having previously had zero Lisp experience. Overall, I think Clojure does a good job of being both practical and lispy. It's a language that is for building real things.
I've been focusing on ClojureScript (https://clojurescript.org/) as you get the benefit of interoperating with the Javascript ecosystem. The fact that there's a strong community around both Javascript hosted and Java hosted gives a wealth of library options.
Overall, the tooling has been getting a lot closer to the sort of experience that contemporary developers expect. The Calva plugins integration with Visual Studio (https://calva.io/) makes it easy to get started - you can even run it online with gitpod (https://github.com/PEZ/rich4clojure).
That just leaves learning the language - the slight changes in syntax (brackets for different data types) definitely help early on, and for the most part Clojure discourages people going down the path of macros which means reading other peoples code is reasonably accessible. The main struggle is that it's a language used by a lot of advanced or full-time developers, so documentation is pretty dense and it can take a real commitment to understand the detail.
It may not be 'correct' enough if you're coming from other Lisps, but coming the other way from C/Python etc I've found it an accessible and practical option.
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Long-term funding update
Rich 4Clojure (editor/IDE based 4Clojure with a zero-install option)
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Guide: Get Started with Clojure in a full REPL-driven editor without installing anything
(And arlier this week I did an adaption of Rich 4Clojure, adding a zero-install option there as well.)
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Eclipse plugin CounterClockWise still an option?
A cheap (in terms of effort and impact on your computer) way to see how you like Calva is to try the Gitpod option of Rich 4Clojure: https://github.com/PEZ/rich4clojure
- Zero-install, yet full editor connected 4Clojure
babashka
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A Tour of Lisps
It also gives you access to Babashka if you want Clojure for other use-cases where start-up time is an issue
https://babashka.org/
- Babashka: Fast native Clojure scripting runtime
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What's the value proposition of meta circular interpreters?
I've tried researching this myself and can't find too much. There's this project metaes which is an mci for JS, and there's the SCI module of the Clojure babashka project, but that's about it. I also saw Triska's video on mci but it was pretty theoretical.
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Adding Dependencies on Clojure Project the Node Way: A Small Intro to neil CLI
Created by the same guy who created babashka which is a way to write bash scripts, node scripts, and even apple scripts using Clojure. A very proficient and influential developer in the Clojure community. This is how borkduke's neil helps us:
- Babashka
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Pure Bash Bible
Not what you asked for but there is Babashka for scripting in Clojure.
https://github.com/babashka/babashka
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Critique of Lazy Sequences in Clojure
Clojure's lazy sequences by default are wonderful ergonomically, but it provides many ways to use strict evaluation if you want to. They aren't really a hassle either. I've been doing Clojure for the last few years and have a few grievances, but overall it's the most coherent, well thought out language I've used and I can't recommend it enough.
There is the issue of startup time with the JVM, but you can also do AOT compilation now so that really isn't a problem. Here are some other cool projects to look at if you're interested:
Malli: https://github.com/metosin/malli
Babashka: https://github.com/babashka/babashka
Clerk: https://github.com/nextjournal/clerk
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Sharpscript: Lisp for Scripting
Being a Clojure addict, I guess I have to leave the obligatory link to Babashka too then: https://github.com/babashka/babashka (Native, fast starting Clojure interpreter for scripting)
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Rash – The Reckless Racket Shell
which is now on hiatus. babashka: https://babashka.org
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Are there any languages (that are in common use in companies) and higher-level that give you the same feeling of simplicity and standardization as C?
I've enjoyed babashka for scripting; which is close enough to clojure to allow using some/many libraries; but (probably) not for embedding.
What are some alternatives?
talk-transcripts - Transcripts of Clojure-related talks
janet - A dynamic language and bytecode vm
sci - Configurable Clojure/Script interpreter suitable for scripting and Clojure DSLs
malli - High-performance data-driven data specification library for Clojure/Script.
joker - Small Clojure interpreter, linter and formatter.
hy - A dialect of Lisp that's embedded in Python
nbb - Scripting in Clojure on Node.js using SCI
4ever-clojure - Pure cljs version of 4clojure, meant to run forever!
clojure-lsp - Clojure & ClojureScript Language Server (LSP) implementation
etaoin - Pure Clojure Webdriver protocol implementation
racket - The Racket repository