re-frame VS reselect

This article always reminds me of this excerpt from re-frame’s docs [0]:

> Now, you think and design abstractly for a living, and that repetition will feel uncomfortable. It will call to you like a Siren: "refaaaaactoooor meeeee". "Maaaake it DRYYYY". So here's my tip: tie yourself to the mast and sail on. That repetition is good. It is serving a purpose. Just sail on.

[0]: https://github.com/day8/re-frame/blob/master/docs/correcting...

* Single-Page App: shadow-cljs for the build concerns (https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs), Reagent with Re-frame for complex/large app (https://reagent-project.github.io and https://github.com/day8/re-frame). Even if we now prefer using HTMX (https://htmx.org) and server-side rendering (Hiccup way of manipulating HTML is just amazing, https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup).

Big and/or complete projects that use re-frame The main list: https://github.com/day8/re-frame/blob/master/docs/External-Resources.md

Reflet is a set of tools for building Re-frame + React based web apps with graph and non-graph data models. This includes:

https://github.com/day8/re-frame

Notably the author of re-frame has been weary of hooks.

I think that’s for a good reason. The approach in re frame feels like the best way to manage state so far for a react based app. Everything that changes state flows through an event. State can only be observed through subscriptions. Side effects are isolated to their own type of event. Debugging and testing are so straight forward with these concepts.

Redux got close but it has two problems in my mind. Like hooks, it encapsulates for no good reason. Put the state in one thing that you can observe holistically before and after pure events. It also has too much boiler plate.

The cljs stack I hear about a lot (and use) is ShadowCLJS with reagent (https://reagent-project.github.io/) and re-frame (https://day8.github.io/re-frame/). ShadowCLJS is more of a build tool, but is really well documented and easy to use. Reagent is basically react but a simpler API, and re-frame is a layer on top of that provides data subscriptions and event-handlers to manage app state. It's overkill for some apps but I find it's actually super easy to work with and not as much complexity as I thought.

For backend there is luminus (https://luminusweb.com/) or Kit (https://kit-clj.github.io/). They are basically project templates that wire together a ton of popular solutions for various things - database access, migrations, security, html templating, etc. Also includes frontend frameworks like re-frame if you want.

Reflet aims to be a natural progression on top of Re-frame to support complex, data driven requirements. In that sense, it is both easy to learn, but powerful. You could say it's sort of like Re-frame++ (or Fulcro for Re-frame). Its main design goals are:

At my current client we're working on having a frontend architecture for writing SPAs in JavaScript similar to re-frame's one: an event-driven bus with effects and coeffects for state management[1] (commands) and subscriptions using reselect's selectors (queries).

Some of us had worked with effects and coeffects before while developing SPAs with re-frame and had experienced how good it is. After working with re-frame, when you come to horizon, you realize how a good architecture can make a dramatic difference in clarity, testability, understandability and easiness of change.

https://youtu.be/geeK1-jjlhY (talk about an initial prototype with re-frame and the decision to do a rewrite in Clojure)

- Throws better errors in an RSC environment

- https://github.com/reduxjs/react-redux/releases/tag/v9.0.0

## Reselect 5.0:

- Switches to a new `weakMapMemoize` memoizer as default

- Renames `defaultMemoize` to `lruMemoize`

- Allows passing memoizer options direct to `createSelector`

- Many TS improvements

- https://github.com/reduxjs/reselect/releases/tag/v5.0.1

## Redux Thunk 3.0:

- Drops the default export and switches to named exports ( `{thunk, withExtraArgument}` )

- https://github.com/reduxjs/redux-thunk/releases/tag/v3.1.0

This has been a _huge_ year-long development effort!

We're thrilled to get these improvements out. The tooling and bundle improvements will help all users, and we think the features and TS changes will improve the Redux dev experience significantly.

Thank you SO MUCH to everyone who has contributed or helped test out the work!

Please file bug reports for the inevitable issues that pop up post-release!

but now I'm going off on a conf trip and going to take a very well-earned break from Redux work for December :)

reselect -> For making faster queries to store.

Reselect solves this problem by memorizing the values and only passing what’s necessary.

In addition, diagnosing bugs in how data flowed through the application (where data originated from, how it was changed, etc.) was always super painful because I had to backtrack through selectors referencing selectors referencing selectors. And updating high-level selectors risked breaking something else down the line (even with 100% business logic coverage this was a problem). (This may be chalked up to improper usage of reselect, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Is this a common problem?)

reselect : Selector library to optimize your store access

Reselect documentation:

Applying memoization to TypeScript and ReactJS is relatively straightforward. There are several libraries available that provide memoization functionality, such as memoize function from Lodash, reselect or hooks from ReactJS. These libraries can be installed using NPM or Yarn and used in your TypeScript and ReactJS projects.

Generally, all you would need is to have your redux store provider at the very top level of your application (You could also only wrap the components that you want to have this data available to). Then, any component rendered inside that provider can get access to the redux store. The suggested approach ever since hooks were released is to use `useSelector` and `useDispatch` within your component to get the state data that you need. Using a selector library like Reselect is prevalent and keeps your data selection tidy & handles memoization for you.

Reselect is a library for creating memoized “selector” functions. Commonly used with Redux, to slice state and provide just the necessary subtree to a React component.