radian VS crafted-emacs

(defvar test--var1 nil) ;; From https://github.com/raxod502/radian/blob/cb1dda7c8a697b2d6e3b2683805df6a085aed1c7/emacs/radian.el#L194 (defmacro my-when-compiletime (cond &rest body) "Like `when', but COND is evaluated at compile time. BODY is only compiled if COND evaluates to non-nil." (declare (indent 1)) (when (eval cond) (macroexp-progn body))) (defmacro my-log (s &rest args) "Log to *Messages*." `(when t (message (concat (propertize "the value is: " 'face 'font-lock-comment-face) (when (bound-and-true-p test--var1) (propertize (format "[%s/%s] " (substring (symbol-name (car test--var1)) 1) (cdr test--var1)) 'face 'warning)) ,s) ,@args))) ;; input should be an unquoted list containing like (:a b c) and c can be and ;; often is nil. The variable f take is included here for completeness but does ;; not do anything. (defmacro my-macro (input &rest body) (let ((c (car input)) (m (car (cdr input))) (f (cdr (cdr input)))) `(my-when-compiletime t (let ((test--var1 `(,,c . ,',m))) (message "test--var1 is %s" test--var1) (my-log "We are in my-macro") ,@body)))) ;; This works as expected (my-macro (:a b) (my-log "%s" test--var1)) ;; => test--var1 is (:a . b) ;; => the value is: [a/b] We are in my-macro ;; => the value is: [a/b] (:a . b) ;; => #("the value is: [a/b] (:a . b)" 0 14 (face font-lock-comment-face) 14 20 (face warning)) ;; This not (my-macro (:a b) (defun test-fun1 () (my-log "hey")) (run-with-timer 0.1 nil #'test-fun1)) ;; => test--var1 is (:a . b) ;; => the value is: [a/b] We are in my-macro ;; => [nil 24719 64999 224627 nil test-fun1 nil nil 964000] ;; => the value is: hey

You might also want to check out Radian if you haven't seen that one yet. I haven't used it, but have read most of the code. It strikes me as a very Emacs-y "starter kit".

Keep an eye on Crafted Emacs which has a v2Beta release branch. It's been evolving. The v2Beta is a rewrite. It aims to provide a minimalist leg up on vanilla Emacs for new Emacs users. It's goal is to take you from first steps to a point where you have learned a great deal and built your configuration. Then you may be comfortable ditching the Crafted Emacs boilerplate configuration entirely. Think of it as a starter kit. Follow SystemCrafters on YouTube (live stream mostly) & Matrix (they are leaving Discord). Despite the live stream being lengthy, there is much to be learned as you bear witness to David figuring things out. Over time, you pickup on those techniques such as looking up a variable state, reviewing functions, evaluating snippets of Elisp in real time, etc. Also recommend, Mastering Emacs as a fantastic ebook with free updates. Once 29.1 ships, no doubt, there will be a free update to the ebook.

I'd recommend you have a look at crafted-emacs. It's an example of how far Emacs can actually go without third-party packages. Then you can add minimal packages (completion and specific tool integrations) to further enhance the experience.

For me it's quite stable except some issues I had with vertico. Anyways, I first started to rewrite my doom config into plain vanilla emacs (with org mode literate configs), and then I discovered crafted which allowed me to remove some code with commonly set sane defaults, e.g. stuff from https://github.com/SystemCrafters/crafted-emacs/blob/master/modules/crafted-defaults.el.

I have been surprised at how many people have so ardently defended only using built-ins and raw package.el and their own janky ensure methods when use-package was available and did it all better. And, it even lets you configure Emacs itself (not just packages), as well as seamlessly letting you try different package management tools like straight.el. Getting it into Emacs itself hopefully makes this a more prevalent way of showing users how to craft their own config.

If you need a staring point for configuring there's some nice light ones like emacs-bedrock and crafted-emacs, and also some fully pre-configured Emacs distributions that you can choose from (though those look harder to configure to one's personal needs to me, but I haven't tried them so wouldn't know).

I'll second https://github.com/SystemCrafters/crafted-emacs

And if you find yourself between the two extremes, perhaps https://github.com/SystemCrafters/crafted-emacs