Apache Pulsar VS envoy

Stream-processing platforms such as Apache Kafka, Apache Pulsar, or Redpanda are specifically engineered to foster event-driven communication in a distributed system and they can be a great choice for developing loosely coupled applications. Stream processing platforms analyze data in motion, offering near-zero latency advantages. For example, consider an alert system for monitoring factory equipment. If a machine's temperature exceeds a certain threshold, a streaming platform can instantly trigger an alert and engineers do timely maintenance.

Edit: Here's a good example of what I'm looking for: https://github.com/apache/pulsar. It is a full application that happens to be deployed (or deployable) with Terraform, and the configuration files are available.

I am the founder of RisingWave (http://risingwave.com/), an open-source SQL streaming database. I am happy to see the launch of Warpstream! I just reviewed the project and here's my personal opinion:

* Apache Kafka is undoubtedly the leading product in the streaming platform space. It offers a simple yet effective API that has become the golden standard. All streaming/messaging vendors need to adhere to Kafka protocol.

* The original Kafka only used local storage to store data, which can be extremely expensive if the data volume is large. That's why many people are advocating for the development of Kafka Tiered Storage (KIP-405: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-405%3A...). To my best knowledge, there are at least five vendors selling Kafka or Kafka-compatible products with tiered storage support:

-- Confluent, which builds Kora, the 10X Kafka engine: https://www.confluent.io/10x-apache-kafka/;

-- Aiven, the open-source tiered storage Kafka (source code: https://github.com/Aiven-Open/tiered-storage-for-apache-kafk...

-- Redpanda Data, which cuts your TCO by 6X (https://redpanda.com/platform-tco);

-- DataStax, which commercializes Apache Pulsar (https://pulsar.apache.org/);

-- StreamNative, which commercializes Apache Pulsar (https://pulsar.apache.org/).

* WarpStream claims to be "built directly on top of S3," which I believe is a very aggressive approach that has the potential to drastically reduce costs, even compared to tiered storage. The potential tradeoff is system performance, especially in terms of latency. As new technology, WarpStream brings novelty, and definitely it also needs to convince users that the service is robust and reliable.

* BYOC (Bring Your Own Cloud) is becoming the default option. Most of the vendors listed above offer BYOC, where data is stored in customers' cloud accounts, addressing concerns about data privacy and security.

I believe WarpStream is new technology to this market, and and would encourage the team to publish some detailed numbers to confirm its performance and efficiency!

In recent years, it has become apparent that almost no production system is complete without real-time data. This can also be observed through the rise of streaming platforms such as Apache Kafka, Apache Pulsar, Redpanda, and RabbitMQ.

It's colored black on the refreshed Apache Pulsar site. https://pulsar.apache.org/

So many tools out there, its just which one do you like, I guess. I like Kafka. Works for our environment and we have a few clusters. People have brought up Cribl to replace our kafka (havent really looked into Cribl and we also run NiFi). I have even heard https://pulsar.apache.org/ , which seems to be almost another flavor of Kafka.

RisingWave is an open-source streaming database that has built-in fully-managed CDC source connectors for various databases, also it can collect data from other sources such Kafka, Pulsar, Kinesis, or Redpanda and it allows you to query real-time streams using SQL. You can get a materialized view that is always up-to-date.

Apple also contributed[1] MPTCP support to Envoy Proxy.

[1]https://github.com/envoyproxy/envoy/pull/18780

After it finishes (it can take a few minutes), Docker-Compose automatically starts a cluster with two containers. One is an Envoy proxy (running on port 3000) that relays requests from outside the cluster to the other container (running on port 4000), which is our AR.IO gateway that will handle the requests.

Hi HN!

For the past few weeks we've been working on Proximal - a workflow engine that lets you quickly iterate on WebAssembly extensions for Envoy Proxy[0] (or other proxies) right on your local machine: https://github.com/apoxy-dev/proximal

This work is based on Proxy-WASM[1] extension ABI for Envoy (and other proxies like APISIX and Mosn[2]) which allows you to execute WebAssembly code on every API request a la Cloudflare Workers. As part of our wider effort at https://apoxy.dev to improve API glue code we built an experimentation / development platform and hope you will find it useful!

On the technical side this project packs Envoy itself, Envoy controller, REST API (for controlling the controller =)), React SPA, and Temporal server/worker (for orchestration) - all baked into a single Go binary. You can find more on architecture and limitations in the repository README[4].

This project is pretty early stage and we would appreciate community feedback!

Previous HN discussions on this topic:

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36113542

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22582276

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[0] https://www.envoyproxy.io/

[1] https://github.com/proxy-wasm/spec/blob/master/docs/WebAssem...

[2] https://apisix.apache.org/ https://mosn.io/

[3] https://github.com/apoxy-dev/proximal/blob/main/README.md#ar...

Hey HN,

We made an Envoy Proxy[0] playground so we could test out our Envoy configs directly in the browser. This is based on Julia's work with Nginx Playround[1] (we forked[2] that repo and added more Envoy to it). Check it out!

[0] - Envoy is a popular programmable proxy similar to Nginx or HAProxy that is popular with cloud-native setups: https://www.envoyproxy.io

Envoy is the proxy that does the heavy lifting. Istio is just a glorified configuration system. Even if you choose to use Istio you're still using Envoy.

You're spot-on about using iptables rules. There is an example here with a yaml configuration and some iptables commands: https://github.com/envoyproxy/envoy/blob/main/configs/origin...

You might be able to re-use some of that. It should be pretty easy to get metrics for outbound/inbound http requests, but I don't remember the exact yaml incantation.

I'm using the default RaspiOS Lite 64bits and as highlighted in this issue, the RaspiOS kernel does not support CONFIG_ARM64_VA_BITS_48, which makes cilium-envoy to fail building. As solution, I was told to use either Ubuntu as base OS or Traefik Ingress Controller, which is not configured in K3s.

I know envoy (https://www.envoyproxy.io/, https://www.envoyproxy.io/docs/envoy/latest/intro/arch_overview/security/jwt_authn_filter) can do this natively, I'm sure you could probably build something with nginx and its Lua scripting, not sure about traefik and caddy but I dont think they support that.

Envoy is a cloud native opensource proxy server. The Envoy proxy offers a variety of http filters to handle incoming requests.

Istio: By far the most popular service mesh. It is built on top of Envoy proxy, which many service meshes use.