proposal-iterator-helpers VS proposal-observable

Shout out to JavaScript massively delaying https://github.com/tc39/proposal-async-iterator-helpers in the 23rd hour.

The proposal seemed very close to getting shipped alongside https://github.com/tc39/proposal-iterator-helpers while basically accepting many of the constraints of current async iteration (one at a time consumption). But the folks really accepted that concurrency needs had evolved, decided to hold back & keep iterating & churning for better.

I feel like a lot of the easy visible mood on the web (against the web) is that there's too much, that stuff is just piled in. But I see a lot of caring & deliberation & trying to get shit right & good. Sometimes that too can be maddening, but ultimately with the web there aren't really re-do-es & the deliberation is good.

Support for new JavaScript features, including Array.fromAsync(), Set methods, and Iterator helpers.

Global iterator type is coming: https://github.com/tc39/proposal-iterator-helpers

But a method named `groupBy` on iterators traditionally means a different thing: https://github.com/tc39/proposal-array-grouping/issues/51#is...

Global iterable type it's too late for, since there's many extant iterables in the language and on the web which don't have it in their prototype chain and can't reasonably be changed.

Very much agreed. The amount of mileage we get from using Spread (literally the ...) alone has been amazing. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe... Iteration helpers is shipping soon, that'll be a huge help (async iteration helpers will be delayed for a while). https://github.com/tc39/proposal-iterator-helpers .

In the olden days, I feel like the codebases I worked on needed to use .apply() multiple times a week, to figure out some creative way of invoking functions. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe... That's all gone now; I'd take even odds that 50% of my team knows .call and .apply.

Chrome 117 is shipping Object.groupBy() and that's gonna be a huge help in eliminating a lot of the last places we end up using lodash. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe...

Once this https://github.com/tc39/proposal-iterator-helpers reaches browsers, I'm prob gonna be exclusively using Maps.

No, probably not. But with iterator helpers, you can do

> focus more on improving the terrible JS web API

That's W3C’s job, not ECMA’s.

> Where are all the containers?

?

> Sorted sets/maps?

Sets and Maps are sorted (by insertion order)

> Why can't I even map an iterator?

It's coming, but someone will likely be exhausted by that addition. https://github.com/tc39/proposal-iterator-helpers

Upcoming: https://github.com/tc39/proposal-iterator-helpers

Not Generators, but Iterators have a Stage 3 proposal with helpers like these.

https://github.com/tc39/proposal-observable

And there's the new one which seems to be getting implemented in node right now:

How does it differ from <https://github.com/tc39/proposal-observable/>?

I think it is a shame that the Observable proposal [1] still seems somewhat stuck in Stage 1. It's a better idea than just raw event emitters because of composability (if no other reason). Making Observables "first class" could go a long way to unifying a lot of reactivity patterns in various frameworks, in theory at least.

To be fair, Observables and especially Observable composition has a rough learning curve and many frameworks like Svelte intentionally prefer implict reactivity and avoiding things like explicit Observables because they are seen as too complex/"too hard" for the average developer.

(Then you get awful worst of both worlds frameworks like Angular that sort of rely on Observables but yet also don't trust teaching Observables and wind up with code that isn't properly Observable and so also has all the code for implicit reactivity and is full of nasty escape hatches that cause all sorts of composition problems and unnecessary side effects.)

[1] https://github.com/tc39/proposal-observable

Uses an interface described in the TC39 observables proposal

JavaScript doesn't have any built-in observables (addEventListener is part of the DOM API specific to browsers) though there is an old observable proposal collecting dust. I think ReactiveX (RxJS) is pretty much the go-to for any kind of observable functionality you may want. That may be a good place to start to really see what observables can do.

Observablelar streamlarga asoslangan reaktiv dasturlash paradigmasini olib kiradi JSga. Shaxsan menga eng yoqqan takliflardan biri. Bu haqida ham alohida maqola yozish niyat bor. RxJS (Angular) bilan ishlab ko'rganlar bo'lsa buni nimaligini juda yaxshi tushunishadi, endi bu library emas balki native 🚀 !!!

Observable is an object that takes a stream of data and emits events over time to react accordingly. There is a talk to add it to the ECMAScript standard and its proposal is here. Till now it is not part of the ECMAScript standard so to use it, you have to use a third-party library and the well-known Reactive Extension in Javascript is RxJs.

Well, the answer is surprisingly no. But, there is an active tc39 proposal going on around for a while, didn’t find it much active though, you could watch out here — https://github.com/tc39/proposal-observable

RxJS is an implementation of observables which do not exist natively in JavaScript. There is a proposal for adding observables to the language, but it's only stage 1 and hasn't been active for years.