polly VS mgmt

re: Grafana (i'm the author of the linked issue) - i'm quite excited, i do think there's a world of possibilities here.

Two-way sync with a git repo is one possible path, and we've talked a lot internally at GL about how to best support it. My sense is that we can do it with relatively little friction and likely will - but if you're just syncing with a git repo, there's still a lot of arbitrary, opaque repo layout decisions that still have to be made (how do you map a filesystem position for a dashboard to a position in Grafana? In a way that places the dashboards next to the systems they're intended to observe? With many teams? With many Grafana instances?) which induce new kinds of friction at scale.

Fortunately - and not mutually exclusively with the above - by building the system for schema in CUE, we've made a composable thing that we can make into larger systems. That's what we're starting to do with Polly: https://github.com/pollypkg/polly

Conveniently, my parts of a Grafanaconline talk tomorrow discusses both of these https://grafana.com/go/grafanaconline/2021/dashboards-as-cod... :D

This is a new provisioning tool built with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ that I hope both provides great value and also demonstrates the start of a new way to build certain kinds of software.

Thanks for reading!

I've looked briefly into this project before. Some ideas are similar to what I'm doing in https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ but the really weird thing is that I have no idea who's behind this language. A person? A company? A small group? Are they anonymous for some reason or am I oblivious?

I don't generally believe in orchestrators (they miss the point, things are not single computers and neither is the world) and so I have that feedback here but also for:

> Airflow/Cadence/Temporal/Databuilderframework?

Which don't really think about modelling non-centralized things.

This of course doesn't mean they're not useful, it's just that they don't have what I believe is a good long-term value proposition.

I'm incredibly biased because I'm working on programmatic, real-time modelling of distributed systems with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

The DAG concurrency stuff feels familiar to what I've been doing with our language, mcl. https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Our goal is NOT a general-purpose turing-complete language like this one is, but we do some amazing lock-free, DAG concurrency things to achieve the processing wins.

I don't think it's good news, but why is anyone surprised? Nobody wants to pay for open source.

Companies want it for free, and individuals don't have enough luxury time to be able to do it themselves.

Prove me wrong and help patch or fund https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ and you'll have an even better replacement for terraform!

Individual here, not a company. We'd love contributors to https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Eventually decided puppet wasn't a good enough tool to be able to autonomously deploy and continuously manage such clusters. So I started working on this https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ project. Not quite MVP yet, but trying to get there soon. Got distracted along the way with having to work real jobs (Red Hat, Amazon) to pay bills.

Yeah, that project is pretty much at the bottom of my list, unfortunately. My top projects these days are mgmt, klister, recursion-schemes, and hint... And that's already too much!

There are certainly faster alternatives out there (mgmt comes to mind) but then, they're not Ansible.