phooos VS elide

> You need to do click to edit, lazy loading, infinite scroll, a live search, or anything else that you’d normally be reaching for JavaScript to accomplish, you can now add HTMX to the stack, write a few more attributes on your HTML, get what you need done, and never have to use JavaScript.

And what is HTMX? A 44KB-minified JavaScript library! So this statement is false. If you really want to be lightweight, use pure CSS frameworks like Spectre (https://github.com/niutech/spectre) and pure HTML out-of-order streaming (https://github.com/niutech/phooos). If you really want a sparkle of JS, use 166b (bytes, not kilobytes!) HTMZ (https://leanrada.com/htmz/).

External CSS in `` has been used since the beginning of CSS and they are render-blocking by default (see https://web.dev/articles/critical-rendering-path/render-bloc...), so as long as CSS is small and on the same server, it won't incur FOUC. On the other hand, putting all the CSS inline in `` makes HTML document download the same style on each reload instead of from cache. The best from both worlds is to embed a lightweight basic CSS stylesheet inline and the rest in cache-able external CSS files. What I am proposing is not to use JS at all, just pure CSS + pure HTML streaming (e.g. <a href="https://github.com/niutech/phooos">https://github.com/niutech/phooos</a>), which is very fast.

Interesting. I'm currently doing some work to enable React SSR in the Micronaut framework, which might be useful for some people working on the JVM. There's also https://elide.dev which is a polyglot server framework that also supports SSR.

I didn't fully understand what WASM is doing here though. Web components whether React or otherwise are written in Javascript or something that compiles to it, so you need a server side JS engine (Elide/my Micronaut work use GraalJS). Is WASM just being used here as an alternative to providing a .so/.dll file?

Alpha Node-like runtime based on JVM/Graal: https://elide.dev

Remote build caching for everyone: https://less.build

Thanks for posting this thread :)

Zero info in the linked page. Here’s the project repo: https://github.com/elide-dev/elide

In summary: a Kotlin server that can run JS using a guest VM to provide server side rendering for Frontend frameworks.