pharo VS python-lsp-server

I think in part it's because the idea that programming is text and math-based is too ingrained in society.

For example, we talk about programming languages. But IMO there are also programming systems such as Smalltalk [1]. I've programmed 2 years professionally in it, currently looking for an engagement in a different language (a curiosity thing, also a resume thing).

I think Smalltalk has a lot to offer by switching the programmer's view of thinking about programming systems rather than programming languages.

Moreover, programming systems is also not where it is at. One downside that Pharo in particular has is that the community is small. A lot of plugins/libraries that are a given in other languages aren't there! For some, however, this is a strength because one gets to learn much better how to build stuff from the ground up and tinker on it by yourself. Given that there is still a lot of low hanging fruit it is easy to become a contributor.

But this part, whether a community is big or small means that I think it's smarter to think about programming ecosystems where a programming language or programming system is the central hub connecting the programming community together.

Why don't schools teach about programming communities? See my first sentence ;-)

[1] https://pharo.org - a modern Smalltalk

I read Pharo for just a split second

And Pharo is a good Smalltalk!

What you need is a cross platform GUI framework that still is a mutable environment allowing easy extend ability with a simple language. May I suggest Pharo Smalltalk?

https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/9729#issuecomm...

When all the required dependencies are being found on your Fedor install we should wonder why "the VM seemed to hang and never started properly".

Consider playing with Pharo [1], it shows how it can still use Git to store sources in background.

There is LivelyKernel [2] but some versions are more file-oriented (like Lively 4 [3)

[1] https://pharo.org/

Python LSP Server works great, is easier to install and even offers some optional extensions.

https://github.com/python-lsp/python-lsp-server

I suggest looking for blog posts about this, you're gunnuh wanna pick out a plugin manager and stuff. It's kind of like a package manager for neovim. You can install everything manually but usually you manually install a plugin manager and it gives you commands to manage the rest of your plugins.

These two plugins are the bare minimum in my view.

https://github.com/nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter

Treesitter gives you much better syntax highlighting based on a parser for a given language.

https://github.com/neovim/nvim-lspconfig

This plugin helps you connect to a given language LSP quickly with sensible defaults. You more or less pick your language from here and copy paste a snippet, and then install the relevant LSP:

https://github.com/neovim/nvim-lspconfig/blob/master/doc/ser...

For Python you'll want pylsp. For JavaScript it will depend on what frontend framework you're using, I probably can't help you there.

pylsp itself takes some plugins and you'll probably want them. https://github.com/python-lsp/python-lsp-server

Best of luck! Happy hacking.

I came at the tail end of https://github.com/python-lsp/python-lsp-server/issues/195. The possibility of me sponsoring a fix came up, and I’m on board with it, but the other contributor never replied.

I haven't used pylint, but I find mypy with python-lsp-server extremely easy to use with nvim-lspconfig, especially on Arch linux.

Whatever you use, make sure you have syntax highlighting, completion and error checking! I'm using pylsp and shellcheck in emacs, but those or similar options should work in any IDE, replacing much of what made IDEs unique in former times.

Perhaps unrelated, from my experience, pylsp is better than pyright, see https://github.com/python-lsp/python-lsp-server/.

I am finally starting to use lsp for python development. I am using pylsp as LS.

I'm talking about this python LSP server (the command is pylsp that's why).

Another example, you can setup python-lsp-server with nvim-lspconfig (lsp server also needs to be installed globally or in virtualenv) and they have a plugin for black which you can then install in the same virtualenv and just use lsp to format the code instead of formatter.nvim.

Do you use any lsp (like pylsp or pyright)? If yes, did you setup it to use proper python / did you activate venv?