pharo VS CodeParadise

I think in part it's because the idea that programming is text and math-based is too ingrained in society.

For example, we talk about programming languages. But IMO there are also programming systems such as Smalltalk [1]. I've programmed 2 years professionally in it, currently looking for an engagement in a different language (a curiosity thing, also a resume thing).

I think Smalltalk has a lot to offer by switching the programmer's view of thinking about programming systems rather than programming languages.

Moreover, programming systems is also not where it is at. One downside that Pharo in particular has is that the community is small. A lot of plugins/libraries that are a given in other languages aren't there! For some, however, this is a strength because one gets to learn much better how to build stuff from the ground up and tinker on it by yourself. Given that there is still a lot of low hanging fruit it is easy to become a contributor.

But this part, whether a community is big or small means that I think it's smarter to think about programming ecosystems where a programming language or programming system is the central hub connecting the programming community together.

Why don't schools teach about programming communities? See my first sentence ;-)

[1] https://pharo.org - a modern Smalltalk

I read Pharo for just a split second

And Pharo is a good Smalltalk!

What you need is a cross platform GUI framework that still is a mutable environment allowing easy extend ability with a simple language. May I suggest Pharo Smalltalk?

https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/9729#issuecomm...

When all the required dependencies are being found on your Fedor install we should wonder why "the VM seemed to hang and never started properly".

Consider playing with Pharo [1], it shows how it can still use Git to store sources in background.

There is LivelyKernel [2] but some versions are more file-oriented (like Lively 4 [3)

[1] https://pharo.org/

I think these projects could be comparable: - JustPy for Python. - CodeParadise for Pharo Smalltalk. But I cannot go into details, because I don't have enough experience with those, only with CLOG.

Instead of having a Smalltalk image which contains the typical GUI (Morphic or otherwise being BitBlt on a HTML Canvas) I run a Smalltalk image which has a number of Classes representing WebComponents. These classes have a small interface with Javascript (implemented as primitive calls in case you are familiar, similar to other SqueakJS plugins). When instantiating such a WebComponent, it will also instantiate a DOM element (the WebComponent). Events in the browser are wrapped in Smalltalk event classes and will be given to an event handler process (Smalltalk process) which will do the relevant work. So for example drag and drop is implemented fully in Smalltalk. My code is free to use. See https://github.com/ErikOnBike/CodeParadise