pagoda VS fasthttp

Recently, I have stumbled across this one: https://github.com/mikestefanello/pagoda

I'd like to make a small plug for a really awesome Golang web development starter kit I found recently called pagoda (https://github.com/mikestefanello/pagoda). It wires up HTMX, together with Alpine.js and Bulma CSS, onto a really fantastic collection of Go libraries on the back end.

Well said. The 'no big framework' thing works for Go because the Go standard library defines a common way for dealing with HTTP. The difficulty, then, is identifying 3rd party packages that play well with the rest of the ecosystem.

You can see the opposite in projects like Echo, Gin, Beego, etc., that eschew the standard library to various degrees and try to build the kitchen sink themselves. Sometimes this works! Echo is very popular, despite having nonstandard handlers and context. An absolute Go newbie is probably going to have an easier time using it than trying to pick out the best collection of libraries themselves.

I would love to see more 'blessed stack' collections that tie together good libraries such as this one: https://github.com/mikestefanello/pagoda

The readme doesn't seem to mention or list what libraries this depends on, it has chi and jet at least based on the structs section.

Given this "framework" is predominantly a collection of other people's (usually apache/mit) work, where is the BOM/licence text including all of the dependencies?

And why has the author attempted to licence their likely sub 100 lines of glue code under the GPL?

I don't see the point in using something like this which is basically a prefilled go.mod with some other files with a pretty stock organization.

I've used Pagoda (https://github.com/mikestefanello/pagoda) in the past which makes a show of displaying its nature as a wrapper around a bunch of community libraries, and is documented as such. They also make effort to document the interfaces for each component so you could easily replace them with your own implementations to avoid getting stuck due to the "framework". This is my preferred approach for all of these "starters" now since using pagoda.

I recently came across https://github.com/mikestefanello/pagoda - which is also a very good starter kit. Unfortunately it comes with some tools I personally don't like a lot (yet) - like htmlx for templates. I suppose this is a problem of all starters - you can only build one which is ideal for you, but not for others. But anyway it's simpler to remove/replace unnecessary parts than create everything from scratch.

Pagoda looks really nice

Someone made a benchmark of serialization libraries in go [1], and I was surprised to see gobs is one of the slowest ones, specially for decoding. I suspect part of the reason is that the API doesn't not allow reusing decoders [2]. From my explorations it seems like both JSON [3], message-pack [4] and CBOR [5] are better alternatives.

By the way, in Go there are a like a million JSON encoders because a lot of things in the std library are not really coded for maximum performance but more for easy of usage, it seems. Perhaps this is the right balance for certain things (ex: the http library, see [6]).

There are also a bunch of libraries that allow you to modify a JSON file "in place", without having to fully deserialize into structs (ex: GJSON/SJSON [7] [8]). This sounds very convenient and more efficient that fully de/serializing if we just need to change the data a little.

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1: https://github.com/alecthomas/go_serialization_benchmarks

2: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/29766#issuecomment-45492...

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3: https://github.com/goccy/go-json

4: https://github.com/vmihailenco/msgpack

5: https://github.com/fxamacker/cbor

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6: https://github.com/valyala/fasthttp#faq

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7: https://github.com/tidwall/gjson

8: https://github.com/tidwall/sjson

Fasthttp is one of the most powerful webservers written in Go, I'm working on a project that makes it possible to use it as a webserver for Python.

IDE: use whatever make you productive. I personally use vscode. VCS: git, as golang communities use github heavily as base for many libraries. AFAIK Linter: use staticcheck for linting as it looks like mostly used linting tool in go, supported by many also. In Vscode it will be recommended once you install go plugin. Libraries/Framework: actually the standard libraries already included many things you need, decent enough for your day-to-day development cycles(e.g. `net/http`). But here are things for extra: - Struct fields validator: validator - Http server lib: chi router , httprouter , fasthttp (for non standard http implementations, but fast) - Web Framework: echo , gin , fiber , beego , etc - Http client lib: most already covered by stdlib(net/http), so you rarely need extra lib for this, but if you really need some are: resty - CLI: cobra - Config: godotenv , viper - DB Drivers: sqlx , postgre , sqlite , mysql - nosql: redis , mongodb , elasticsearch - ORM: gorm , entgo , sqlc(codegen) - JS Transpiler: gopherjs - GUI: fyne - grpc: grpc - logging: zerolog - test: testify , gomock , dockertest - and many others you can find here

The best example I can give you is https://github.com/nutsdb/nutsdb it’s great project that got me started, one thing one should know is Go is different “yep” so there’re some coding habits that may bite you in Go and the Go compiler won’t correct you, you wanna learn about optimizations, unsafe usage check out https://github.com/valyala/fasthttp (note this is deep the rabbit hole), wanna learn concurrency check out ants https://github.com/panjf2000/ants with a little aid from “Go by example” you’re good to go

As I said in another comment, I think net/http is a good cautionary tale here. It was designed to be easy to use, and then grew organically, but performance never seems to have been a goal. fasthttp solves this, but bifurcates the ecosystem and passes on those costs to everyone who uses it. If net/http had been designed with performance in mind, this could have been avoided. net/http can't be removed or optimized, so this is a situation the Go ecosystem is effectively stuck with forever. At best, a faster version may end up in the std lib, just like netip is more modern and faster than net but the ecosystem is still bifurcated and adoption of the new package has been slow.

Fiber, while has a lot of batteries included and decent for many use cases, is known for having corner cases (because of internals like fasthttp) like https://github.com/valyala/fasthttp/issues/622