oteps VS openobserve

Oh nice, thank you (and also solumos) for the links! It looks like oteps/pull/171 (merged June 2023) expanded and superseded the opentelemetry-proto/pull/346 PR (closed Jul 2022) [0]. The former resulted in merging OpenTelemetry Enhancement Proposal 156 [1], with some interesting results especially for 'Phase 2' where they implemented columnar storage end-to-end (see the Validation section [2]):

* For univariate time series, OTel Arrow is 2 to 2.5 better in terms of bandwidth reduction ... and the end-to-end speed is 3.1 to 11.2 times faster

* For multivariate time series, OTel Arrow is 3 to 7 times better in terms of bandwidth reduction ... Phase 2 has [not yet] been .. estimated but similar results are expected.

* For logs, OTel Arrow is 1.6 to 2 times better in terms of bandwidth reduction ... and the end-to-end speed is 2.3 to 4.86 times faster

* For traces, OTel Arrow is 1.7 to 2.8 times better in terms of bandwidth reduction ... and the end-to-end speed is 3.37 to 6.16 times faster

[0]: https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-proto/pull/3...

[1]: https://github.com/open-telemetry/oteps/blob/main/text/0156-...

[2]: https://github.com/open-telemetry/oteps/blob/main/text/0156-...

https://github.com/open-telemetry/oteps/issues/139

It takes a lot of time and effort to bake a cross-vendor cross-language standard.

This. The statelessness of the OTLP is by design. I did consider stateful designs with e.g. shared state dictionary compression but eventually chose not to, so that the intermediaries can remain stateless.

An extension to OTLP that uses shared state (and columnar encoding) to achieve more compact representation and is suitable for the last network leg in the data delivery path has been proposed and may become a reality in the future: https://github.com/open-telemetry/oteps/pull/171

Lot of interesting OSS observability products coming out in recent years. One of the more impressive(and curious for many reasons) IMHO is OpenObserve: https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve .

As opposed to just a stack, they are implementing just about the whole backend shebang from scratch.

in case it matters to others, https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve/tree/v0.7.0 is the last Apache2 licensed copy before they went AGPL with 0.7.1

https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve/blob/v0.7.0/.env.... is some "onoz" for me, but just recently someone submitted https://github.com/aenix-io/etcd-operator to the CNCF sandbox so maybe things have gotten better around keeping that PoS alive

eCharts is awesome. We moved from plotly after using it for several months to echarts at https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve and are super happy.

Wouldn't make more sense to have the same observability stack on production and development? For instance, open-observe is also a single binary that provides UI for logs, metrics and traces, although every log producer would have to be properly configured and routing to it.

Another idea: maybe chrome dev-tools could be repurposed to display server logs instead of client logs, somehow [2].

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1: https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve

2: https://chromedevtools.github.io/devtools-protocol/

It doesn't read from files unfortunately, but https://openobserve.ai/ is very easy to set up locally (single binary) and send otel logs/metrics/traces to.

Here's how I run it locally for my little shovel project - https://github.com/bbkane/shovel#run-the-webapp-locally-with... .

Also linked from that README is an Ansible playbook to start OpenObserve as a systems service on a Linux VM.

Alternatively, see the shovel codebase I linked above for a "stdout" TracerProvider. You could do something like that to save to a file, and then use a tool to prettify the JSON. I have a small script to format json logs at https://github.com/bbkane/dotfiles/blob/2df9af5a9bbb40f2e101...

Implement a monitoring stack, or openobserve for an all-in-one package.

I would recommend you take a look at OpenObserve (https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve ). It's free and open source and can do all you asked and more with far lower resource utilization. It's the easiest to run of any log system that you can find. Can capture windows and linux logs. Also compresses them heavily (30-60x, YMMV). 100 GB ingested logs can be 3 GB stored.

I have used https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve in several hobby projects and liked it. It's an all-in-one solution. It's likely less featureful than many others but a single binary and everything in one place pulled me in and worked for me so far.

Not affiliated, I just like the tool.

A good one. A lot is being built on top of clickhouse. I can count at least 3 if not more (hyperdx, signoz and highlight) built on top of clickhouse now.

We at OpenObserve are solving the same problem but a bit differently. A much simpler solution that anyone can run using a single binary on their own laptop or in a cluster of hundreds of nodes backed by s3. Covers logs, metrics, traces, Session replay, RUM and error tracking are being released by end of the month) - https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve