opentelemetry-js VS PostHog

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> OpenTelemetry is a marketing-driven project, designed by committee, implemented naively and inefficiently, and guided by the primary goal of allowing Fortune X00 CTOs to tick off some boxes on their strategy roadmap documents.

I'm the founder of highlight.io. On the consumer side as a company, we've seen a lot of value of from OTEL; we've used it to build out language support for quite a few customers at this point, and the community is very receptive.

Here's an example of us putting up a change: https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-js/pull/4049

Do you mind sharing why you think no-one should be using it? Some reasoning would be nice.

That's traces? I was wondering if I could use https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-js/tree/main...

Nothing like Faro for now. However, https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-js can be used to achieve the same result and OpenObserve has great support for Opentelemetry.

Can it be integrated with Grafana Faro or OpenTelemetry?

4. Register automatic instrumentations. For example, you can automatically trace all XHR requests, fetch requests, page loads, and user interactions. With distributed tracing, you should always prefer automatic instrumentation whenever possible to reduce maintenance and leverage existing conventions. The document load instrumentation allows you to treat the server as the parent span to a given page load, from which the client will then be the root span to everything in the server. This is an extremely powerful concept that allows traces to viewed from the perspective of the user, encapsulating all requests and user interactions in a single trace with no manual instrumentation!

We also trialed Sentry's APM tool (also marketed as a distributed tracing tool). While it had pretty charts, dashboards, niceties like core web vitals, and integrated well with Sentry's error product, its utility as a distributed tracing tool is significantly less powerful than tools like Honeycomb. You will end up using a large amount of your user's bandwidth sending telemetry data that can't fully be leveraged in the Sentry UI. When I last used (in April 2021), the spans of a given trace could only be viewed in a specific part the UI and they couldn't be searched for in queries or used in charts. I'm unsure if this has been updated. But this is not the worse part. Because Sentry uses its own data model for traces, it is not compatible with open source standards such as OpenTelemetry or OpenTracing! The sales team will not tell you this during the trial. This means our entire backend, which was already instrumented with OpenTracing, would now also need to instrument Sentry's tracing (...if they supported the language) in order to connect frontend traces to backend traces. Each team I met with their sales team, I said the same thing: support OpenTelemetry, otherwise you are asking for us to further isolate our backend and frontend teams.

It looks like they have heard this opinion, as they have recently published a blog post about the evolution of the distributed tracing API, citing incompatibility with OpenTelemetry due to their data model. It will require a very large change for them to support this. Meanwhile, OpenTelemetry can be used with any tracing vendor, a large number of languages, the other major instrumentation standards (OpenTracing, OpenCensus), and any trace propagation format.

- [1]: https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-js

Consumer lag will quickly show any functional or technical issue with your event stream. By using the code examples from this blogpost, you can avoid having to dive into the SDKs yourself. Of course, you can adopt the metric collection to send the metric to the logs or to another metrics system like prometheus, datadog, or open telemetry.

I would work on getting Open Telemetry pointed at an “all-in-one” Jaegar instance and move on from there: https://www.jaegertracing.io/docs/1.25/getting-started/ https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-js Various cloud providers may have a way to collect/view traces as well, but, Jaegar and the Open Telemetry Collector are the open source way to do that. The projects are in the process of converging in some ways — everything is in flux.

I'm not sure I personally agree with this, and I'm not 100% sure the developer community at-large does either...

Let's take a few examples, which I've shared elsewhere in similar discussions:

- GitLab: Open Source or Open Core? Most would say Open Source, but (I assume) you would argue Open Core [0].

- Plausible: Open Source or Open Core? They say Open Source, but it's actually Open Core [1].

- Cal.com: Open Source or Open Core? They say Open Source, but once again, Open Core [2].

- Posthog: Open Source or Open Core? They say Open Source, still Open Core [3].

- Sidekiq: Open Source or Open Core? Once again: Open Core [4].

Yet, every dev I know would consider these projects Open Source. So there's a disconnect somewhere.

Under this mindset, very few open source startups are actually open source, yet everybody says they are?

I'm not trying to argue either way; I'm trying to point out a disconnect here.

[0]: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/blob/master/ee/LICENS...

[1]: https://github.com/plausible/analytics/blob/2dd2f058d1dcae6f...

[2]: https://github.com/calcom/cal.com/blob/main/packages/feature...

[3]: https://github.com/PostHog/posthog/blob/master/ee/LICENSE

[4]: https://github.com/sidekiq/sidekiq/blob/main/COMM-LICENSE.tx...

It seems that PostHog just always loads the latest version of this piece of itself:

https://github.com/PostHog/posthog/issues/24471#issuecomment...

To ease the migration and management of 2 (and possibly more platforms) I’ve used the following modular approach which I will show here with Mixpanel and PostHog as examples.

Great choice of monitoring and analytics tools (Sentry, Axiom, Posthog and Uptime Kuma) coupled with amazing Slack integrations that allowed us to iron out any issues way before the traffic spike while the troubling features were still fresh from the oven.

Hi, PostHog co-founder here. We support deletion of individual users and entire projects, so it's inaccurate to say we "don't support any data deletion". We also TTL recordings after 1 month for free users and 3 months for paid users. You're right that we don't have a way of TTL-ing out events data automatically.

We have had some requests [0]for this though it hasn't been requested that often hence we haven't prioritised this. We've recently improved some of our tooling around this so should be easier for us to ship.

[0] https://github.com/PostHog/posthog/issues/17031

It would be a shame not to mention PostHog as the telemetry provider we are using, since it turned out to be extremely useful. Because it is hard to find people who will talk with you about your product, gathering statistics gave us a much greater insight into our users.

6- PostHog

Hi HN, PostHog employee here. I'm working on our Web Analytics product, which is currently in beta. It's fun to see us mentioned here :)

I should mention that we have a ton of SDKs (see https://posthog.com/docs/libraries) for back end frameworks and languages, so if you wanted to use PostHog without any client-side JS you could send pageviews and other events manually, but for the vast majority of people it makes more sense to use our JS snippet.

Hijacking this comment to share the roadmap for web analytics https://github.com/PostHog/posthog/issues/18547. It's very much in the launch-early-and-be-embarassed phase, but I would love to hear any feedback or suggestions that people have, particularly if you're already a PostHog user.

how's this different than https://posthog.com/ ?

PostHog - Open Source Alternative to Mixpanel