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mstoical
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Retro: A Modern, Pragmatic Forth
I'm not a C programmer, and it took a fair bit of help from folks here on HN to get it compiling (it was forked from a 20 year old C source), for which I'm grateful.
[1] https://github.com/mikewarot/mstoical
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Ask HN: Programming Without a Build System?
Details I didn't include but should have (I wasn't sure I'd have any replies at all... I should have had more faith, sorry)
It's a bit of a ramble, sorry about that.
MSTOICAL[0] is a fork of an old C based Forth variant, it took some help from the HN community[1] to get it to compile in a modern 64 bit environment, for which I am very thankful. However, it uses AutoConf to configure, build, install, etc... and I can't for the life of me figure out how to remove all of that logic. (C isn't my primary language, I'm willing to learn that, but adding AutoConf on top of it was too much)
In order to work on that, I was willing to switch to Linux (Ubuntu)... got everything up and running for the most part, but then I couldn't access WikidPad[2], my local Wiki with my appointments, etc. I missed a doctors appointment because of that, so went back to Windows.
The issue is around wxWindows changing the names of variables in some calls. On Windows, you just download an EXE installer and you're good to go. I couldn't figure it out because the program seems to be unwilling to support newer Python versions. (I could be wrong)
I don't understand why they felt the need to make breaking changes to wxWindows, and the python is a bit too dense for me.
So finally... I'm back in Windows 10, and decided to try to craft together a twitter clone with a bunch of weird ideas that I tossed out at 3:30 am in a twitter thread, and put into a more coherent manifesto.[3]
[0] https://github.com/mikewarot/mstoical
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30957273
[2] https://github.com/WikidPad/WikidPad
[3] https://github.com/mikewarot/iceberg/blob/main/MANIFESTO.md
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Ask HN: Paragraphs – should they contain line breaks?
Reviewing the documentation from Stoical[1], it occurs to me that fixed line length text is archaic, yet I'm new to this world of C programmers.
Is it reasonable to get rid of all the extra line breaks and make something that flows better on all screen sizes?
[1] - https://github.com/mikewarot/stoical/blob/main/doc/Stoical
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Old C code – how to upgrade it?
That'd probably get you some way there already: https://github.com/mikewarot/stoical
factor
- An Exploration of SBCL Internals (2020)
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My history with Forth, and stack machines
My impression so far is (in general), Forth are practically limited to doing embedded/microcontroller development.
For us, web/mobile/desktop app devs, beside:
- 8th (https://8th-dev.com)
- Factor (https://factorcode.org)
Any suggestion which implementation we should look for?
- Forth: The programming language that writes itself: The Web Page
- Retro: A Modern, Pragmatic Forth
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Pharo 11, the pure object-oriented language and environment is released!
Factor is also very much worth a look. Forth-style syntax, but with many of the ideas from CL and Smalltalk as well. In fact as a CL fan, I was very impressed by it. It's also quite "batteries included" a la Python.
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The toki pona of programming.
Otherwise, and more seriously, I'm not completely sure variables are needed. Factor is quite usable (it's my favorite go-to language if I quickly need to script something), and mostly doesn't have them.
- Forth as an intermediate language
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A Dynamic Forth Compiler for WebAssembly
There's a note on the page from 2022-08-19, that a lot has been added to it. It also links to the github page[1] for the up-to-date changes.
I am a Lisp, April, APL/J/BQE, and Forth[2] aficionado. I did some file munging programs in Factor back in 2012 at my job to sort through theater attendance logs in Word to compile statistics.
[1] https://github.com/remko/waforth
[2] https://factorcode.org/
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What the hell is Forth? (2019)
Is there any "battery-included" ANS Forth (more or less like Python/Go) which provides access to concurrency, networking, database, GUI, etc?
Not an embedded device programmer, but mostly deals with frontend apps, and occasionally backend, so those are very relevant to me.
Or perhaps use "non-traditional" Forths like 8th (https://8th-dev.com) or Factor (https://factorcode.org)?
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-🎄- 2022 Day 2 Solutions -🎄-
Here's my day two solution using Factor
What are some alternatives?
gale - Strongly-typed, minimal-ish, stack-based development at storm-force speed.
jonesforth - Mirror of JONESFORTH
create-react-app-zero - All of Create React App, none of the dependencies
durexforth - Modern C64 Forth
copycat - A concatenative language on Scheme
bondi - source code for the bondi programming language
ActorForth - A strongly typed Forth-like language ultimately intended to target cryptoledgers and support an Actor concurrency model. Initially implemented in Python, now switched to modern C++.
Raylib-CsLo - autogen bindings to Raylib 4.x and convenience wrappers on top. Requires use of `unsafe`
kitten - A statically typed concatenative systems programming language.
oil - Oils is our upgrade path from bash to a better language and runtime. It's also for Python and JavaScript users who avoid shell!
stoical - An ancient forth like language
batteries-included - Batteries Included project