micronucleus VS picostdlib

Compare micronucleus vs picostdlib and see what are their differences.

micronucleus

ATTiny usb bootloader with a strong emphasis on bootloader compactness. (by micronucleus)

picostdlib

Nim wrapper for the raspberry pi stdlib (by EmbeddedNim)
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micronucleus picostdlib
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1,634 61
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2.5 2.1
3 months ago 3 months ago
C Nim
GNU General Public License v3.0 or later MIT License
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micronucleus

Posts with mentions or reviews of micronucleus. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-03-03.
  • Building the worlds jankiest serial to USB cable from scavenged parts
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 3 Mar 2023
    You can actually bit-bang low speed USB on Arduino [0]. There is even a bootloader [1] for ATtiny. It is obviously not compatible with Arduino, but those tiny boards look too cute to ignore [2]. Also, you can use USB port both for downloading firmware and your application.

    [0] https://github.com/obdev/v-usb

    [1] https://github.com/micronucleus/micronucleus

    [2] https://cpldcpu.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/the-nanite-85/

  • Emulator of Original Dell Charger Using ATTINY85
    6 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 24 Feb 2022
    The Digispark[1] and its clones use the ATTINY85 and offer flashing over USB via the Micronucleus bootloader[2] using V-USB[3]. It comes at the cost of a significant chunk of flash storage, but the convenience is excellent. Plus, V-USB support means you can emulate all sorts of USB devices. I've used it to build a DIY NES controller adapter, but it's commonly used as a cheap Rubber Ducky[4]. For projects where USB interfacing makes sense, it can be a good fit.

    1: http://digistump.com/products/1

    2: https://github.com/micronucleus/micronucleus

    3: https://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html

    4: https://shop.hak5.org/products/usb-rubber-ducky-deluxe

  • Writing bootloader to practice programming skills?
    1 project | /r/embedded | 22 Jun 2021
    So it looks like they're using the micronucleus bootloader for the linked example. That bootloader not only does the normal bootloader job, but also acts as a bitbanging USB device in order to communicate with the computer over USB. The USB bitbanging is a huge endeavor to undertake on top of writing a bootloader.

picostdlib

Posts with mentions or reviews of picostdlib. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2022-11-22.
  • Introduction to Embedded Systems Programming (Ada)
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 22 Nov 2022
    Heres the rp2040 wrapper someone else did: https://github.com/EmbeddedNim/picostdlib
  • How to get clean simple C output?
    5 projects | /r/nim | 8 Sep 2022
    As a workaround, you might be able to just get Nim to output the c sources (nim cc), and set up your own build system (make or whatever) to build and link it. This is the approach taken in https://github.com/EmbeddedNim/picostdlib. If you do this, you might want to pass in --cpu:m68k or some other supported 8-bit arch, though I'm not sure that --cpu is used for anything else than selection the C compiler exec and flags.
  • New embedded programming language with C as a host language
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 25 Jul 2022
    C++ has decent industry acceptance in embedded nowadays, or at least that has been my impression.

    After C++, rust is likely the most popular, quite a lot of effort has been put into running rust on embedded, see eg https://github.com/rust-embedded. However, once again to my understanding, industry acceptance is still highly marginal.

    After that, there's a bunch of toy-ish efforts to run other languages. Zig, nim, python and javascript variants, etc. Usually anything that has C ABI compatibility should be possible to get up and running (without writing a compiler backend from scratch). I've had fun with some toy projects using nim for ARM cortex-M targets (https://github.com/EmbeddedNim/svd2nim, https://github.com/auxym/nim-on-samd21, https://github.com/EmbeddedNim/picostdlib).

    Using Nim (and eg svd2nim to generate the equivalent of CMSIS headers for register access in pure nim), it would be entirely possible to write even the low level stuff (SPI drivers and whatnot) in 100% nim, with the same performance as C and better safety (better static type system and compile-time checks, etc). Runtime (eg overflow) checks and garbage collection are available (at the cost of some performance) but optional. See eg. a pretty basic higher-level API for GPIO access, that provides native performance, since the abstraction is implemented as macros (compile-time abstraction): https://github.com/auxym/nim-on-samd21/blob/master/src/port....

  • Emulator of Original Dell Charger Using ATTINY85
    6 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 24 Feb 2022
    To be clear: Ratel isn't my project, just something I'm following due to interest.

    In the interest of shameless self promotion :), my own experimentations are :

    https://github.com/EmbeddedNim/svd2nim

    https://github.com/auxym/nim-on-samd21

    And I've used and contributed to picostdlib (https://github.com/beef331/picostdlib), the rp2040 support library.

    All just as a hobby, but it's interesting to learn that some companies are actually looking into Nim for firmware! Embedded seems like such a slow moving industry. I believe the author of Nesper and Nephyr also developed them for professional work.

What are some alternatives?

When comparing micronucleus and picostdlib you can also consider the following projects:

HoodLoader2 - 16u2 Bootloader to reprogram 16u2 + 328/2560 with Arduino IDE

dell-charger-emulator - Emulator of original Dell charger using ATTINY85

cc2538-bsl - Python cross-platform script to upload firmware via the serial boot loader onto the CC13xx, CC2538 and CC26xx SoC.

svd2nim - Convert CMSIS ARM SVD files to nim register memory mappings

libusb - A cross-platform library to access USB devices

nim-on-samd21 - Template for programming Microchip SAM D21 MCUs with Nim

ATTinyCore - Arduino core for ATtiny 1634, 828, x313, x4, x41, x5, x61, x7 and x8

nimOnAVR - Nim language test program for Arduino UNO/Nano or its compatibles

lk2nd - Secondary little kernel (lk) bootloader for Qualcomm MSM8953 devices

ThinkpadBattery - Open source Thinkpad T420 battery design

kcgi - minimal CGI and FastCGI library for C/C++