kmm-production-sample VS swift

Business logic is not only about backend. Apps usually have a lot of client-side logic that can be written once in KMM and used on both platforms. See [1] for a high level architecture diagram.

I'm an iOS dev and I've been using KMM on a couple of projects for more than a year now. It's really a powerfull technology which allows teams to move faster, but there are downsides, for example lack of native Swift interop, though there are opensource tools trying to solve this [2].

[1]: https://github.com/Kotlin/kmm-production-sample/tree/master#...

I'm an Android dev for 10+ years and I've decided to give a go with Kotlin Mobile Multiplatform to try iOS development as well. For that purpose I would need a Mac obviously, and Windows 11's flaws don't help either so I made my mind and I would like to pick a Mac as my next developer machine for the next 4-5 years.

I don't use iOS, but https://kotlinlang.org/lp/mobile/ claims that using Kotlin works on iOS too. You still will need a Mac though, but that's pretty much a given if you want to develop iOS apps.

Kotlin Multiplatform with Realm as a middle layer.

Kotlin Multiplatform. You write the UI fully native for each platform, but have all the business logic as shared code.

maybe people confused it with kotlin multiplatform mobile which indeed support ios but only the business logic. you have to write the ui in swiftui.

I think the most compeling use for Kotlin Native is mobile. I wonder if it's possible to write a Kotlin multi-platform library that can then be used from the JVM, JS, iOS and Android? What would such library look like from the other languages? This is something I am trying to find out right now, and Kotlin Multiplatform seems to be the only sane choice to do this (but I am not sure yet that it's actually good/possible right now). Any more information about this would be appreciated.

Kotlin isn't just JVM and Kotlin projects like this one for writing iOS+Android apps look quite promising: https://kotlinlang.org/lp/mobile/

Because of C/C++ interop, and integration with CMake, you can just add Swift to a Zephyr project and it pretty much Just Works. [The docs](https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/main/docs/EmbeddedSwift/...) should mostly apply to the Zephyr SDK as well.

Fortunately, the Observation framework is part of the Swift 5.9 standard library. We can learn more information by examining its source code.

They do! See https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/main/docs/LibraryEvoluti...

You can also see an example of what a different high level language integration with Swift ABI looks like here: https://github.com/dotnet/designs/blob/main/proposed/swift-i...

So is differentiable Swift a package for Swift or is it part of the Swift standard library? The video says go to swift.org but I can't find any info about differentiable Swift on that site.

Swift's Differentiable Programming Manifesto. Swift has a powerful differentiable programming component, integrated with the compiler.

You can do the same thing the other way around - https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/main/docs/Android.md.

Codable (along with other derived conformances like Equatable, Hashable, and RawRepresentable) is indeed built in to the compiler[0], but unlike Serde, it operates during type-checking on a fully-constructed AST (with access to type information), manipulating the AST to insert code. Because it operates at a later stage of compilation and at a much higher level (with access to type information), the work necessary is significantly less.

With ongoing work for Swift macros, it may eventually be possible to rip this code out of the compiler and rewrite it as a macro, though it would need to be a semantic macro[1] rather a syntactic one, which isn't currently possible in Swift[2].

[0] https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/main/lib/Sema/DerivedCon...

`Int` is a regular struct with a single stored property of type `Builtin.Word` . But the latter is a magical compiler built-in. Source for integer types is generated from this template - https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/9da65ca0a15fdf341649c994b0a77ec3b71f2687/stdlib/public/core/IntegerTypes.swift.gyb