klister VS mgmt

Yeah, that project is pretty much at the bottom of my list, unfortunately. My top projects these days are mgmt, klister, recursion-schemes, and hint... And that's already too much!

case is a special form, ie a bit of core syntax, but, interestingly, data is not. (It is presumably a macro; typechecking is actually done as a part of macro expansion.) The syntax remains pretty uniform. Or, in Klister, type ascription is done via normal S-expression syntax with a form called the, as (the $type $expression); again, the syntax is uniform.

Shameless plug: we don't have that problem in Klister, because our equivalent to main is a run macro which runs an IO action, and your alternate prelude can define its own run macro which expects an IO action from your alternate prelude.

Klister is very similar to Hackett, but implemented in Haskell instead of Racket, and my most recent PR is from 20 days ago, if that's the metric which counts for you. Still very much of a WIP though.

You might be interested in Klister: https://github.com/gelisam/klister

I've now also found an implementation for klister, which is meant to interleave type checking with macro expansion.

In Klister, which already has Scheme-like macros and Haskell-like types (polymorphism, algebraic types and higher-kinded types, but not yet fancier types like RankNTypes and GADTs), our plan to get the best of both worlds (lexical syntax and typed ASTs) is to separate parsing from macro evaluation. That is, users write their programs using the surface syntax of s-expressions, parsers parse those into typed ASTs, and macros are typed by the type of the ASTs they receive as input and produce as output. At this stage this is only a research idea, I don't know if that's going to work out yet, but I hope so!

> I think etcd is basically a k8s only project now

I hate etcd with the best of them, but etcd is used in a lot more places than just kubernetes:

https://github.com/apache/apisix/blob/master/docs/en/latest/...

https://github.com/traefik/traefik#:~:text=Etcd,

https://github.com/zalando/patroni#patroni-a-template-for-po...

https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/tree/0.0.26/etcd (this one shows up on HN quite a bit)

https://github.com/sorintlab/stolon#features

It's actually one of the major reasons I wouldn't touch those projects

This is a new provisioning tool built with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ that I hope both provides great value and also demonstrates the start of a new way to build certain kinds of software.

Thanks for reading!

I've looked briefly into this project before. Some ideas are similar to what I'm doing in https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ but the really weird thing is that I have no idea who's behind this language. A person? A company? A small group? Are they anonymous for some reason or am I oblivious?

I don't generally believe in orchestrators (they miss the point, things are not single computers and neither is the world) and so I have that feedback here but also for:

> Airflow/Cadence/Temporal/Databuilderframework?

Which don't really think about modelling non-centralized things.

This of course doesn't mean they're not useful, it's just that they don't have what I believe is a good long-term value proposition.

I'm incredibly biased because I'm working on programmatic, real-time modelling of distributed systems with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

The DAG concurrency stuff feels familiar to what I've been doing with our language, mcl. https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Our goal is NOT a general-purpose turing-complete language like this one is, but we do some amazing lock-free, DAG concurrency things to achieve the processing wins.

I don't think it's good news, but why is anyone surprised? Nobody wants to pay for open source.

Companies want it for free, and individuals don't have enough luxury time to be able to do it themselves.

Prove me wrong and help patch or fund https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ and you'll have an even better replacement for terraform!

Individual here, not a company. We'd love contributors to https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Eventually decided puppet wasn't a good enough tool to be able to autonomously deploy and continuously manage such clusters. So I started working on this https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ project. Not quite MVP yet, but trying to get there soon. Got distracted along the way with having to work real jobs (Red Hat, Amazon) to pay bills.