Ory Keto VS authentik

One of Ory’s core competencies is permissions. We built the first Google Zanzibar implementation in the world and it’s part of Ory Network‘s global multi-region platform (https://github.com/ory/keto)

A push model is also valid if you’re heavy on policies and can accept eventual consistency. We will investigate how to generally push things to the edge (like we did with Ory Edge Sessions) or to cryptographic verification wherever staleness is acceptable.

By solving the primitives correctly in the beginning (with a multi region architecture) that job does become a lot easier, which is what we decided doing at Ory :)

slightly off-topic, but related to what ory is doing in general. How do you usually do authorization-aware search?

Imagine, I have a bunch of Google docs and using https://github.com/ory/keto for authorization. I can quickly answer the question "does user X have access to document Y", but it is not easy to do "search all documents with word Hello in it, for which I have access" because access can be granted through nested groups (give read access to everyone in DepartmentA, and I am part of child department)

if you want to integrate an existing framework see if https://github.com/ory/keto solves your problems, there are similiar frameworks that support ABAC

Shameless plug for Ory Keto, probably the best reference implementation IMO https://github.com/ory/keto

Looks cool, wonder how it compares to Keto and Casbin.

How does Warrant compare to other Zanzibar based solutions like Ory Keto ?https://github.com/ory/keto

Interesting to see another project open sourced around Google Zanzibar. On a timeline for context:

- Ory came out first with Ory Keto ( https://github.com/ory/keto ) which is trying to be a close adaptation of the paper. Initially, many concepts were missing but they are making a lot of progress with the DSL and it interfaces with the rest of Ory (OAuth2, User Mangement)

- Authzed came out as a SaaS only, open sorucing the code base later on at https://github.com/authzed/spicedb

- Auth0 has been playing around with Zanzibar concepts in various forms and published a beta service at https://dashboard.fga.dev - apparently now also open source parts of it similar to what Authzed did: https://github.com/openfga

- Permify - who on a side note spammed me quite a lot with outreach because I was active in these communities - joins as well https://github.com/Permify/permify

It's exciting to see so much movement, yet also sad that so many companies are brewing their own beer instead of working collaborative on the more succesful projects. Feels like we'll just end up with one or two successful projects (looking at Ory / Auth0 here) with the rest perishing. I'm wondering if there truly is a business model for just this permission system as a saas service (looks like this is what everyone is going with). Here I'm giving Auth0 probably the biggest plus as they have an established identity service. Then again, Okta (parent of Auth0) and Auth0 themselves are not particularly known for good business practices that we usually expect from developer tooling.

What's refreshing though with Permify is that they are trying a bit of a different approach to Zanzibar!

Er, Ory Keto is written in Go.

If you're looking for a system that has more features, is user friendly, a nice admin ui and easy deployments compared to Keycloak. Please give https://goauthentik.io/ a shot. Not affiliated in any way, just a very happy user.

It has

-an admin UI

- Supports (LDAP, SAML, OAUTH, social logins)

- MFA, Passkeys

- Application access based on user groups etc

Hey, for authentik this is actually something we're actively working on: https://github.com/goauthentik/authentik/pull/8330, and this will be included in our next feature release in April!

(Disclaimer, I am founder and CTO of authentik)

See here for the fix, which both implements the workaround suggested in the issue and also a much more standard-compliant method: https://github.com/goauthentik/authentik/pull/8471

Ask in the correct places for support: https://github.com/goauthentik/authentik/discussions and https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues

I've been searching around for a while now, and struggling with getting Authentik setup on my NAS. I'd like to deploy via Portainer, but getting lost in the documentation just to deploy.

Personally I went with Keycloak, because it's fairly well documented and also has Docker images available: https://www.keycloak.org/getting-started/getting-started-doc... although the fact that they want you to create an "optimized" image yourself and have a long build/setup process on startup instead is slightly annoying: https://www.keycloak.org/server/containers

Regardless, with something like mod_auth_openidc or another Relying Party implementation, all of the sudden authn/authz becomes easier to manage (you can literally get user information including roles in headers that are passed from your gateway/relying party to apps behind the reverse proxy), regardless of what you have actually running in your APIs: https://github.com/OpenIDC/mod_auth_openidc (there are other options, of course, but I went with that because I already use mod_md).

It's actually cool that there are plentiful options in the space, since OIDC is pretty complex in of itself and attempts at creating something pleasant to actually use are always welcome, I've also heard good things about Authentik: https://goauthentik.io/

Hello ! I am hosting a server under NixOS with multiple services, and to simply the identity management, I use authentik (https://goauthentik.io/) which can be compared to keycloak. Everything works fine until I try to enable mastodon to host an instance : authentik returns an error 400 and nothing changes this but disabling mastodon. Does anyone have an idea of what could be the cause of this ?

For Authentik, it looks like they are not interested to write how to configure HAProxy with it https://github.com/goauthentik/authentik/issues/5768