kanel VS kysely

I'll just quickly plug Kanel (https://github.com/kristiandupont/kanel) which I use to generate Typescript types from a Postgres database. I agree with the author to think migrations-first, though I prefer to write them in SQL to ensure I can utilize all the powerful features that Postgres has to offer.

With it, I only get types for the tables and views etc., so any join will be untyped if done client-side. This is still a big win in my opinion, and I much prefer it to normal ORM's.

I made a tool that generates Typescript types out of a live Postgres database. I've had a request for Kysely support (https://github.com/kristiandupont/kanel/issues/273), but I more or less forgot about it. I would love to hear if that would be helpful.

There are tools that will generate typescript types from a database. I made one for Postgres. But it also works at "compile time", i.e. it doesn't look at a live database. I am not sure if that is what you are asking?

That's interesting. I use Knex a lot and I agree that it's very easy to end up just writing what is basically an ORM on the spot. I haven't quite decided if I think it's a real problem though.

I created and use Kanel (https://github.com/kristiandupont/kanel) to generate Typescript types from my Postgres database which helps a lot. Knex itself has some attempt at type safety but it gets confused quite quickly, so that's where it's tempting to override things.

Interesting. Someone asked me if I supported it in Kanel. At the time it was hard to extend Kanel and then I just forgot but perhaps I should take another look at it. I am not exactly overwhelmed with the types that Knex offers even though it does make an honest attempt.

I have so far found: - kanel https://github.com/kristiandupont/kanel - and pg-to-ts https://github.com/danvk/pg-to-ts

I’ve written before about the way I let the Postgres schema act as the source of truth by generating types with Kanel (assisted by Schemalint). In addition to this, I mention a homemade framework that sort of resembles a server-side Redux. This gives me typesafe database queries that are automatically reflected all the way to the frontend. I am frequently asked to make it open source and that is still the plan. I just need to untangle it from the Submotion source code which just never seems to be high enough priority. I promise I will get around to it :-)

We are using Kanel[1] for this right now — is there an advantage to using this instead?

[1]: https://github.com/kristiandupont/kanel

Sure. I've been using this lib https://github.com/kristiandupont/kanel to get types from my pg database and it makes it a breeze to use raw sql + ts.

Did you check https://github.com/koskimas/kysely ? It was great when I used it. It has great TS support.

That’s where Kysely comes to the rescue: Kysely is a type-safe and devX-friendly typescript SQL query builder. It was designed to work with PostgreSQL and MySQL, but it exposes a few classes that can let us write queries without being connected to an actual relational database.

prisma (mentioned in the article), zapatos, pgtyped and kysely are the most popular currently I think.

switch between a limited interface and a query builder (MikroORM, TypeORM). This feels like using two different libraries, switching between two different sets of limitations. Kysely is a nice query builder with good TS support, but MikroORM is using Knex instead so you're losing TS, and TypeORM has a custom query builder, less user-friendly than Knex.

I'd love to see Kysely as an option.

Kysely[1] and zapatos[2] are excellent solutions for type-safe typescript query builders. It’s hard to go back to the days of spending 20-30% of your time in the object mapping layer.

[1] https://github.com/koskimas/kysely

Querying the database (PostgreSQL) should not be ground breaking. Personally I like to have full type-safety so we can easily catch bugs during the development time without introducing any tests that are just testing the data type from our datastore to match the data type our API expects. I like to go database schema first, which means that we generate types from the database schema and work with those. Any change to the schema of the database is made with SQL migrations and after that, the typescript types are regenerated. Another approach is to use a code-first tool like TypeORM or Prisma. However in my experience such tools often produce not efficient SQL queries and are less easy to extend. In my projects I use library kysely (https://github.com/koskimas/kysely) with kysely-codegen (https://github.com/RobinBlomberg/kysely-codegen) to have a full type-safe SQL builder.