jvm-serializers VS self-hosted

Compared with protobuf, fury is 3.2x faster. When comparing with avro, fury is 5.3x faster. Compared with flatbuffers, fury is 4.8x faster. See https://github.com/eishay/jvm-serializers/wiki for detailed benchmark data

First, there's benchmarks here if you haven't seen it: jvm-serializers. Not terribly scientific, but it's something. To make any decision, you really need to benchmark your own object graph and it's important to configure the serializer for your particular usage. Still, it is sort of useful for comparing frameworks. It would be interesting to see how Loial performs there. Ping me if you add it.

It depends. Some binary encodings such as flatbuffer are actually slower than some JSON libraries. There's a wide range of performance even in the JSON libraries themselves. Generally the faster JSON libraries are the ones that work on a predefined schema and so are able to generate code specifically for that JSON.

> I'm surprised this is up for debate.

I looked into logging in protobuf when I was seeing if there was a better binary encoding for ring-buffer logging, along the same lines as nanolog:

https://tersesystems.com/blog/2020/11/26/queryable-logging-w...

What I found was that it's typically not the binary encoding vs string encoding that makes a difference. The biggest factors are "is there a predefined schema", "is there a precompiler that will generate code for this schema", and "what is the complexity of the output format". With that in mind, if you are dealing with chaotic semi-structured data, JSON is pretty good, and actually faster than some binary encodings:

https://github.com/eishay/jvm-serializers/wiki/Newer-Results...

You could use any of the JVM serialisers which should still work.

This is the point where I will point out that you can self-host Sentry free of charge :) https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

Sentry can be self hosted: https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

The people we're concerned about are not the hundreds of thousands of Sentry users, including those that self-host.

We're concerned about people who have taken the software for the purposes of competing directly against us, that hinders our ability to monetize the work. Monetizing the work helps us continue improving the software and distribute it for free use, benefitting those aforementioned real users (e.g. https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted).

> I mean no slander or disrespect to anyone involved, but there was a DataDog alternative posted sometime in the last few weeks that had a docker-compose with like 15 containers in it.

Reminds me of Sentry: https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

This is their example docker-compose for self-hosting: https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/master/docker-...

It has:

  - exim4 (smtp)

> What should people use?

I recall Apache Skywalking being pretty good, especially for smaller/medium scale projects: https://skywalking.apache.org/

The architecture is simple, the performance is adequate, it doesn't make you spend days configuring it and it even supports various different data stores: https://skywalking.apache.org/docs/main/v9.0.0/en/setup/back...

The problems with it are that it isn't super popular (although has agents for most popular stacks), the docs could be slightly better and I recall them also working on a new UI so there is a little bit of churn: https://skywalking.apache.org/downloads/

Still better versus some of the other options when you need something that just works instead of spending a lot of time configuring something (even when that something might be superior in regards to the features): https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/master/docker-...

Sentry is just the first thing that comes to mind (OpenTelemetry also isn't simpler due to how much it tries to do), but compare its complexity to Skywalking: https://github.com/apache/skywalking/blob/master/docker/dock...

I wish there was more self-hosted software like that out there, enough to address certain concerns in a simple way on day 1 and leave branching out to more complex options like OpenTelemetry once you have a separate team for that and the cash is rolling in.

Sounds interesting!

Will you compare with qryn? Self-hosted sentry?

qryn.metrico.in/

https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

I haven't done it in years, but technically sentry is able to be self hosted https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted

yes to the second https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/23.4.0/docker-... and only after the embargo is over to the first: https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/23.4.0/LICENSE...

I also miss the "good old days" when running sentry was like 3 containers, not the 32 of modern Sentry