janet-sh VS clesh

Right now, the one that is most attractive is Janet, with its wonderful shell programming integration and built-in http request. Those are both things I'm working a lot with.

I use Janet most often as a glue for shell utilities using the sh package (https://github.com/andrewchambers/janet-sh). It's a great tool for building small containerized jobs. I think it has a ton of potential as the ecosystem grows and matures.

Some rough spots:

- No canonical http client. There are a few attempts at wrapping libcurl but nothing complete and well documented yet. However, the creator of Joy framework for Janet does have an http client library.

- The main http server circlet is MIT licensed, but it is built on top of Mongoose, which is GPL/paid commercial. Something to be aware of if you want to distribute binaries made with this library.

- I have never been successful getting any of the UI or drawing libraries to work.

- Naming of packages is a bit confusing even if you have watched the Good Place and are aware of all of the inside jokes.

The arguments I have seen are based on Janet using arrays/tuples rather than cons cells. Here is the author addressing this on reddit a while back. https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aqwedz/janet_i...

The debate continues in the thread. Either way, I think Janet is very useful for situations where you want something lisp like and also want/need small executables. I've experimented with it quite a bit and have found it really useful for putting together cli apps. The sh package is really useful for gluing together other shell programs. https://github.com/andrewchambers/janet-sh

Now, it's only personal, but I like to fire one-off shell commands… can we escape the Lisp REPL or not? If not, we could use a shell pass-through, for example "! ls" with clesh. Ruricolist's cmd is nice to have too. This is becoming an heresy, but what if we could fire a shell command and interpret its result with a Lisp function, or mix and match the two? Lish is doing an awesome work already, although it's a difficult field. Interactive commands like sudo and htop work there, at least. It ships a Lisp REPL and a debugger for the terminal too (similar to Roswell, then).

Clesh - extends Common Lisp to embed shell code in a manner similar to perl's backtick. (I read awesome-cl) It could ease the process to include external calls.