interop-cats VS fp-ts

If you're using http4s, don't use ZIO. Yes, ZIO has an interop-cats module, so you can do this. But using http4s means you're working in the conceptual framework the Typelevel ecosystem is based on (and what interop-cats does can be characterized as "describe ZIO's implementation in those terms, so the Typelevel ecosystem can make heads or tails of it.") This is essentially all cost and no benefit: you can't avoid understanding the Typelevel ecosystem if you use http4s (at least, no more than you can by using cats-effect), and you don't get any of the value proposition of ZIO (interop-cats gives you Typelevel typeclass instances for the RIO type alias, which means your error channel is rooted in Throwable, and you're faced with the most complex part of the ZIO ecosystem: ZLayer, which the Typelevel ecosystem doesn't use and doesn't need). Finally the ZIO ecosystem is still quite immature, and this brings us to documentation. There is not (yet!) anything comparable to:

These are necessarily oversimplifications. In particular, the ZIO ecosystem offers the relevant instances of cats-effect typeclasses to support use of the ZIO type in the cats-effect ecosystem.

However, ZIO continues to offer cats-effect type classes and I certainly have no doubt cats-effect 3 continues to benefit from John's contributions. Furthermore, I likewise don't doubt the value of the ZIO ecosystem generally, and John's success in building the ZIO community speaks for itself. I personally have chosen to remain closer to the other, let's say "classical," pure FP ecosystems, partially for historical (or, if you prefer, "sunk cost") reasons, but partially because I'm satisfied the value of the Haskell/Typelevel/PureScript/fp-ts/etc. interplay warrants it.

It seems that zio/interop-cats faces a similar issue.

I think it’s great that functional programming is making its way into traditional imperative languages - even JavaScript (I recently came across https://gcanti.github.io/fp-ts/ as a pretty extreme example)

Elixir/Erlang has function-level pattern matching, which I really like. I’ve yet to see it anywhere else, though my understanding is it came from Prolog.

While I certainly agree, I've found that this is often an indication of too-complex an architecture, and a fundamental re-think being necessary. I've had projects that depend on [fp-ts], which end up incredibly generic-heavy, but still make it entirely through a typecheck(not build- typescript's just worse at that than other tools like esbuild) in seconds-at-worse.

Obviously depends on your organization/project/application, but I do like these things as complexity-smells.

[fp-ts]: https://gcanti.github.io/fp-ts/

Unlike more comprehensive functional libraries like fp-ts, each module can be imported and resolved separately. If you just need options, simply add the option module and you're good to go.

While it's quite abstract, I believe it may be useful to those of you who is interested to learn more about functional programming [in Typescript] and also get more intuition on diverse programming ideas. I use fp-ts as a functional programming library there.

The library for TypeScript that this is influenced by is here:

https://github.com/gcanti/fp-ts

Interesting how both languages with this library converge to a similar syntax, due to heavy use of functions.

Learn something that pays the bill first - nowadays it's Golang/Rust react/typescript. Then you can try some pure fp libs like fp-ts and fp-core.rs, and look through existing scala cats docs. If you'll feel bad about it - that's totally fine and expectable, fp takes a paradigm shift and not that many dev able to shift their brains way of thought due to basic psychological rigidity) (inability to change habits and to modify concepts/attitudes once developed). And that's purely a staffing and management issue - folks hired randoms out of the blue, and called 'em a team.

fp-ts, a library that caters to functional programming in TypeScript, comes with some micro-abstractions that already solve a few of our needs.

Also, don't underestimate how powerful TypeScript can be in capable hands (namely Giulio Canti's). Check out fp-ts, for instance.

You are able to type it using function overloads, an example can be found here - link, line 236.

looks like more ergonomic/focused version of fp-ts[1]

[1] https://gcanti.github.io/fp-ts/