ihp VS wai-conduit

I found IHP straightforward:

https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/

despite not remembering much haskell!

This assumes you can get past nix for the install.

I find IHP well-designed. I just wish the licensing scheme were more transparent.

You can find the docs at https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/ and some getting started videos at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLl9Sjq6Nzc&list=PLenFm8BWuKlS0IaE31DmKB_PbkMLmwWmG

In case this got you interested in Haskell, and you want a good way to start your Haskell journey (and have something to apply the optimization handbook to), check out IHP. It's the Rails/Laravel of the Haskell world. You can start here https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/Guide/index.html or check it out on GitHub here https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp

At IHP we've been using Algora for a while now and it works really great. Here's e.g. one PR that was merged last week with a bounty attached https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp/issues/1621 Everything was set up in less than 15 minutes and ioannis and zafer have been super helpful with any questions we had.

In general I think this is a good direction and an interesting take on the open question around sustainable open source. Congrats on the launch and keep up the great work! :)

You could contribute to IHP! We have some great docs to get started here https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md And we have some low hanging fruits in GitHub issues for you to get started with, e.g. https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp/issues/1601 (also there's always lots of activity in the IHP Slack, in case you have any questions/need help)

found some context https://github.com/yesodweb/wai/pull/931

Yes. Not because of the developer, but because of how extremely flexible and dynamic the Lisp-family languages are. The power and joy of Lisp is in how it's almost a meta-language, so every project can become its own EDSL. The most famous (infamous?) example of this is Vacietis[2], which is a Common Lisp library that allows C code to be imported directly(!!).

[0] IIRC the Yesod framework's Warp does well on benchmarks, and when you look at code like https://github.com/yesodweb/wai/blob/master/warp/Network/Wai... you can see the lengths they had to go through to work around the choice of implementation language.

[1] Go has a garbage collector, but exposes the stack/heap distinction more directly than Haskell, so it's easier to write allocation-free code in hot paths.

[2] https://github.com/vsedach/Vacietis

My $3/mo vultr box can handle HN loads easily when using a fast backend (I've settled on https://github.com/yesodweb/wai based apps - the only thing that has worked well for me so far).

What kind of metrics do you derive "ton of stuff" from? It seems like the largest blocker is Cryptonite. It's unreasonable to let a handful of packages keep back Nightly. You can now run Warp without it. How does your list of essential blockers for 9.2 look like?

No, Wai is the common abstraction, sort of like connect. Warp is one (only AFAIK) server implementation of it. Both Wai and Warp are developed along side with Yesod, you can find their source code here https://github.com/yesodweb/wai

WAI