eioio VS hoogle

the actual project (Readme has some code samples): https://github.com/ocaml-multicore/eio

For 5.0+ you might want to look at https://github.com/ocaml-multicore/eio for how effects can make async much more pleasant

Great post! I would love to see this extended to OCaml 5 (with eio) and Haskell

Second, effects enable a new style of concurrency libraries like eio that forgoes the need to wrap every asynchronous computation in a monad.

> This is realllly unidiomatic in real world Haskell.

Whether idiomatic or not does not matter. It proves my point:

IO won't save you, and even very mundane effects are not part of the game…

Idris is the "better Haskell" sure, but the effect tracking is still part of the uncanny valley (still IO monad based).

Koka is a toy, and Frank mostly "only a paper" (even there is some code out there).

The "Frank concept" is to some degree implemented in the Unison language, though:

https://www.unison-lang.org/learn/fundamentals/abilities/

Having a notion of co-effects (or however you please to call them) is imho actually much more important than talking about effects (as effects are in fact neither values nor types—something that all the IO kludges get wrong).

I think the first practicable approach in the mainstream about this topic will be what gets researched and developed for Scala. The main take away is that you need to look at things form the co-effects side first and foremost!

In case anybody is interested in what happens in Scala land in this regard:

https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/key/aLE9M37d...

https://docs.scala-lang.org/scala3/reference/experimental/cc...

But also the development in OCaml seems interesting:

https://github.com/ocaml-multicore/eio#design-note-capabilit...

Look mom, "effects", but without the monad headache!

To enable access to all these features, an exciting new library called Eio is being developed. It uses a new paradigm of direct-style concurrent I/O programming, without the need for monads or async/await, thus avoiding the function colour problem.

Dimensions behave somewhat like a "type system" for math. These dimensional-analysis tricks act like the trick you see in Haskell sometimes, where you can easily guess an implementation of an expression once you know it's type (or e.g. search by type signature https://hoogle.haskell.org/ )

Haskell Spotlight makes vscode a client for hoogle. It isn't too different than jumping into your browser and type https://hoogle.haskell.org/. The main advantage is that you have everything in one place

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base and https://hoogle.haskell.org are automatically up to date and better searchable than almost any other reference of any other programming language. maintaining a redundant reference that needs to be kept up to date manually is simply stupid.

Ideally like this: https://zio.dev/reference/#concurrency

Or this: https://hoogle.haskell.org/?hoogle=fork

And yeah I get it, it's hard to Google for punctuation operators in languages because it doesn't give useful search results (but not impossible, for example, Haskell has a search engine for documentation that handles symbols/punctuation).

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You had a look at Hoogle?

https://hoogle.haskell.org/

For some type signatures there is (are) only one (or only a few) meaningful implementation(s).