diffhtml VS solid

diffhtml

Hi floodfx, we should chat at some point if you're on slack/discord/etc. I'm building something extremely similar and there's potential opportunity to share some code/learnings. Personally I feel this design paradigm is the real web 3.0.

My project is https://diffhtml.org/ and I have started experimenting with middleware to bridge to server and client workers: https://github.com/tbranyen/diffhtml/pull/251. For the server worker, it uses a WebSocket to ferry the VDOM diff patches, custom events, and property access/function calls. A big goal is to allow synchronous "main thread" access from workers, including on the server-side. This would allow you to write your UI code as if you were a client side app. It does this the same way as partytown using a SharedArrayBuffer and Atomics. You can see demo source code here: https://gist.github.com/tbranyen/2f5be81cfb7b3aa1bb443c8ef13....

I've also toyed around with hot reloading components without the need for a pre-processor like Babel, and the results are hugely promising. Stateful live UI updates from saving a component file to seeing in the browser without all the fuss with complex build steps is liberating.

I'm probably a few months out from having a usable beta, but I'm going to follow your project closely. Thanks for sharing!

I suggested one such idea (a diffing version of innerHTML) years ago to Mozilla. Ironically, the React team was against it and it fizzled out. In more ironic twists of events, someone eventually wrote a JS implementation of it: https://github.com/tbranyen/diffhtml/tree/master/packages/di... and nowadays people are talking about HTML-based rendering engines again, making this idea somewhat relevant once more.

To be fair to standards bodies, they have done some work. Element.append now exists to make hyperscripts a bit more straightforward, and a lot of reactivity semantics can be implemented on top of Proxy.

This doesn't support the various consumer cloud storage APIs, but you've just reminded me of a project I ran into years ago that seems to still be around: https://remotestorage.io/

There's also Solid which attempts to do something similar: https://solidproject.org/

It is surprising to me this is not talked about more. I see little to none online news, podcasts, YouTube videos or anything else where this is discussed. I only found out about it because of research I did on Tim Berners-Lee in preparation for a Career Day talk at my kids middle school. Otherwise I would have probably not known about it still today. And even after I found out and started watching YouTube videos on the topic, YouTube won't even suggest any related videos about it even after already watching multiple videos on the subject (Web 3.0, Solid Project, Decentralized Web...etc).. is Big Tech trying to keep the web from evolving into what Sir Tim Berners-Lee is proposing?

It's only an unreasonable amount of work if you assume that the user is managing a separate storage backend for each library. If you take the Tim Berners-Lee approach (re: https://solidproject.org/) then each user is only managing one storage backend: the one that stores their data. The marginal cost of hooking in one more library low.

We just have to get a little more fed up with all of these services and then the initial cost of setting it up in the first place will be worth it. Any day now...

Solid is a web native protocol to enable interoperable, read-write, collaborative, and decentralized web, truer to web's original vision.

Manas project(https://github.com/manomayam/manas/tree/main) aims to create a modular framework and ecosystem to create correct, robust storage servers adhering to Solid protocol in rust.

[Solid](https://solidproject.org/) is a web native protocol to enable interoperable, read-write, collaborative, and decentralized web, truer to web's original vision.

    Solid adds to existing Web standards to realise a space where individuals can maintain their autonomy, control their data and privacy, and choose applications and services to fulfil their needs.

You're describing Solid, not the Semantic Web. Granted, Solid uses Semantic technologies to achieve it. https://solidproject.org/

Tim Berners-Lee's Solid project is working on that. Put data in "pods" that are stored on pod servers, which are federated. You can self-host.

It could be a federated layer of identity & personal content decoupled from social platforms.

https://solidproject.org/

Check out https://solidproject.org (If you want a short intro I recently gave a ~30min talk about it: https://noeldemartin.com/fosdem)