Concourse VS gitlab-runner

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> Why bother, when Dagger caches everything automatically?

The fear with needing to run `npm ci` (or better, `pnpm install`) before running dagger is on the amount of time required to get this step to run. Sure, in the early days, trying out toy examples, when the only dependencies are from dagger upstream, very little time at all. But what happens when I start pulling more and more dependencies from the Node ecosystem to build the Dagger pipeline? Your documentation includes examples like pulling in `@google-cloud/run` as a dependency: https://docs.dagger.io/620941/github-google-cloud#step-3-cre... and similar for Azure: https://docs.dagger.io/620301/azure-pipelines-container-inst... . The more dependencies brought in - the longer `npm ci` is going to take on GitHub Actions. And it's pretty predictable that, in a complicated pipeline, the list of dependencies is going to get pretty big - at least a dependency per infrastructure provider we use, plus inevitably all the random Node dependencies that work their way into any Node project, like eslint, dotenv, prettier, testing dependencies... I think I have a reasonable fear that `npm ci` just for the Dagger pipeline will hit multiple minutes, and then developers who expect linting and similar short-run jobs to finish within 30 seconds are going to wonder why they're dealing with this overhead.

It's worth noting that one of Concourse's problems was, even with webhooks setup for GitHub to notify Concourse to begin a build, Concourse's design required it to dump the contents of the webhook and query the GitHub API for the same information (whether there were new commits) before starting a pipeline and cloning the repository (see: https://github.com/concourse/concourse/issues/2240 ). And that was for a CI/CD system where, for all YAML's faults, for sure one of its strengths is that it doesn't require running `npm ci`, with all its associated slowness. So please take it on faith that, if even a relatively small source of latency like that was felt in Concourse, for sure the latency from running `npm ci` will be felt, and Dagger's users (DevOps) will be put in an uncomfortable place where they need to defend the choice of Dagger from their users (developers) who go home and build a toy example on AlternateCI which runs what they need much faster.

> I will concede that Dagger’s clustering capabilities are not great yet

Herein my argument. It's not that I'm not convinced that building pipelines in a general-purpose programming language is a better approach compared to YAML, it's that building pipelines is tightly coupled with the infrastructure that runs the pipelines. One aspect of that is scaling up compute to meet the requirements dictated by the pipeline. But another aspect is that `npm ci` should not be run before submitting the pipeline code to Dagger, but after submitting the pipeline code to Dagger. Dagger should be responsible for running `npm ci`, just like Concourse was responsible for doing all the interpolation of the `((var))` syntax (i.e. you didn't need to run some kind of templating before submitting the YAML to Concourse). If Dagger is responsible for running `npm ci` (really, `pnpm install`), then it can maintain its own local pnpm store / pipeline dependency caching, which would be much faster, and overcome any shortcomings in the caching system of GitHub Actions or whatever else is triggering it.

> Imagine you live in a world where no part of the build has to repeat unless the changes actually impacted it. A world in which all builds happened with automatic parallelism. A world in which you could reproduce very reliably any part of the build on your laptop.

That sounds similar to https://concourse-ci.org/

I quite like it, but it never seemed to gain traction outside of Cloud Foundry.

I used Concourse[0] for a while. No real complaints, the visibility is nice but the functionality isn't anything new.

[0] https://concourse-ci.org/

We run https://concourse-ci.org/ on our own hardware at our office. (as a side note, running your own hardware, you realise just how abysmally slow most cloud servers are.)

Concourse: https://concourse-ci.org

We use https://concourse-ci.org/ at the moment and have been reasonably happy with it, however it only has support for linux containers at the moment, no windows containers. (MacOS doesn't have a containers primitive yet unfortunately)

#!/bin/bash # ### Script to initialize a GitLab runner on an existing AWS EC2 instance with NVME disk(s) # # - script is not interactive (can be run as user_data) # - will reboot at the end to perform NVME mounting # - first NVME disk will be used for GitLab custom cache # - last NVME disk will be used for Docker data (if only one NVME, the same will be used without problem) # - robust: on each reboot and stop/start, disks are mounted again (but data may be lost if stop and then start after a few minutes) # - runner is tagged with multiple instance data (public dns, IP, instance type...) # - works with a single spot instance # - should work even with multiple ones in a fleet, with same user_data (not tested for now) # # /!\ There is no prerequisite, except these needed variables : MAINTAINER=zenika RUNNER_NAME="majestic-runner" GITLAB_URL=https://gitlab.com/ GITLAB_TOKEN=XXXX # prepare docker (re)install sudo apt-get -y install apt-transport-https ca-certificates curl gnupg lsb-release sysstat curl -fsSL https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/gpg | sudo gpg --dearmor -o /usr/share/keyrings/docker-archive-keyring.gpg echo "deb [arch=$(dpkg --print-architecture) signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/docker-archive-keyring.gpg] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu $(lsb_release -cs) stable" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list >/dev/null sudo apt-get update # needed to use the docker.list # install gitlab runner curl -L "https://packages.gitlab.com/install/repositories/runner/gitlab-runner/script.deb.sh" | sudo bash sudo apt-get -y install gitlab-runner # create NVME initializer script cat </home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.sh #!/bin/bash # # To be run on each fresh start, since NVME disks are ephemeral # so first start, start after stop, but not on reboot # inspired by https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45167717/mounting-a-nvme-disk-on-aws-ec2 # date | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log ### Handle NVME disks # get NVME disks bigger than 100Go (some small size disk may be there for root, depending on server type) NVME_DISK_LIST=\$(lsblk -b --output=NAME,SIZE | grep "^nvme" | awk '{if(\$2>100000000000)print\$1}' | sort) echo "NVME disks are: \$NVME_DISK_LIST" | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log # there may be 1 or 2 NVME disks, then we split (or not) the mounts between GitLab custom cache and Docker data export NVME_GITLAB=\$(echo "\$NVME_DISK_LIST" | head -n 1) export NVME_DOCKER=\$(echo "\$NVME_DISK_LIST" | tail -n 1) echo "NVME_GITLAB=\$NVME_GITLAB and NVME_DOCKER=\$NVME_DOCKER" | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log # format disks if not sudo mkfs -t xfs /dev/\$NVME_GITLAB | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log || echo "\$NVME_GITLAB already formatted" # this may already be done sudo mkfs -t xfs /dev/\$NVME_DOCKER | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log || echo "\$NVME_DOCKER already formatted" # disk may be the same, then already formated by previous command # mount on /gitlab-host/ and /var/lib/docker/ sudo mkdir -p /gitlab sudo mount /dev/\$NVME_GITLAB /gitlab | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log sudo mkdir -p /gitlab/custom-cache sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/docker sudo mount /dev/\$NVME_DOCKER /var/lib/docker | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log ### reinstall Docker (which data may have been wiped out) # docker (re)install sudo apt-get -y reinstall docker-ce docker-ce-cli containerd.io docker-compose-plugin | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log echo "NVME initialization succesful" | tee -a /home/ubuntu/nvme-initializer.log EOF # set NVME initializer script as startup script sudo tee /etc/systemd/system/nvme-initializer.service >/dev/null <

GitLab team member here, thanks for sharing.

> Still not a big fan of how stiff Yaml pipelines feel in Gitlab CI

Maybe the pipeline editor in "Build > Pipeline editor" can help with live linting, or more advanced features such as parent-child pipelines or merge trains.

If you need tips for optimizing the CI/CD pipeline, suggest following these tips in the docs https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/ci/pipelines/pipeline_efficiency.... or a few more tips in my recent talk "Efficient DevSecOps pipelines in cloud-native world", slides from Chemnitz Linux Days 2023 in https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_kyGo_cWi5dKyxi3BfYj...

> and that tickets for what seems like a simple feature [1] hang around for years, but it is nice.

Thanks for sharing. (FYI for everyone) The linked issue suggests a Docker cache cleanup script, which might be helpful. https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-runner/-/issues/27332#n... -> https://docs.gitlab.com/runner/executors/docker.html#clear-t...

If only competitors could do better...

https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-runner/-/issues/2797

GitLab MR for the CACHE_COMPRESSION_LEVEL implementation

And in general just making caching stuff easier. I feel like it is unnecessarily complicated for example to cache apt-get in Gitlab which I assume makes most people not do it.

https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-runner/-/issues/991#not...