clojure VS nbb

Here's what I mean by Malli's inability to check macros.

https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/ad54fec/src/jvm/cloj...

clojure.spec has a privileged spot in the compiler so that it can validate the data in macros. No other library can do this, because the Clojure compiler directly calls into clojure.spec and does not expose any sort of hook for validating macros.

‍For the rest of this post I’ll list off some more tactical examples of things that you can do towards this goal. Savvy readers will note that these are not novel ideas of my own, and in fact a lot of the things on this list are popular core features in modern languages such as Kotlin, Rust, and Clojure. Kotlin, in particular, has done an amazing job of emphasizing these best practices while still being an extremely practical and approachable language.

This article will explain how to write a simple service in Clojure. The sweet spot of making applications in Clojure is that you can expressively use an entire rich Java ecosystem. Less code, less boilerplate: it is possible to achieve more with less. In this example, I use most of the libraries from the Java world; everything else is a thin Clojure wrapper around Java libraries.

5. Clojure - $96,381

I have a tangential question that is related to this cool new feature.

Warning: the question I ask comes from a part of my brain that is currently melted due to heavy thinking.

Context: I write a fair amount of Clojure, and in Lisps the code itself is a tree. Just like this F# parallel graph type-checker. In Lisps, one would use Macros to perform compile-time computation to accomplish something like this, I think.

More context: Idris2 allows for first class type-driven development, where the types are passed around and used to formally specify program behavior, even down to the value of a particular definition.

Given that this F# feature enables parallel analysis, wouldn't it make sense to do all of our development in a Lisp-like Trie structure where the types are simply part of the program itself, like in Idris2?

Also related, is this similar to how HVM works with their "Interaction nets"?

https://github.com/HigherOrderCO/HVM

https://www.idris-lang.org/

https://clojure.org/

I'm afraid I don't even understand what the difference between code, data, and types are anymore... it used to make sense, but these new languages have dissolved those boundaries in my mind, and I am not sure how to build it back up again.

As an analogy - my face hasn't changed all that much in a past few years, and I haven't changed my profile picture in those few years. Does it really mean that I'm unmaintained/dead?

> Where can I find latest documentation [...]?

The answer is still https://clojure.org/. And https://clojuredocs.org/ but it's community-maintained so might occasionally be missing some things right after they're released. E.g. as of this moment Clojure 1.11 is still not there since the maintainer of the website has some technical issues deploying the updated version of the website.

For me personally, the best API-level documentation is the source code.

> Where can I find [...] tools / libraries in a easy to use page or section?

There's no central repository of all the available things since they can be loaded from many places (Clojars, Maven Central, other Maven repositories, S3, Git, local files).

But there are community-maintained lists, like the one you've mentioned at https://www.clojure-toolbox.com (fully manual, AFAIK) or the one at https://phronmophobic.github.io/dewey/search.html (automated but only for GitHub). Perhaps there are others but I'm not familiar with them - most of the time, I myself don't find that much value in such services as I'm usually able to find things with a regular web search engine or ask the community when I need something in particular.

They are written in Java, and implement a bunch of interfaces, so the implementation looks complicated, but they are basically just classes with head and tail fields.

https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/jvm/cloju...

The SCI/babashka clojure interpreter might be a good fit, if you're ok with a lisp.

It's mature and fully sandboxed.

https://github.com/babashka/nbb

To try it out, run npx create-helix-app in your terminal. It is powered by Nbb, Ink, and Helix itself!

Thanks for building! May also want to share in #extension-news in discord to reach more users. Fwiw, you might be able to write the whole script without the need for compilation with https://github.com/babashka/nbb. You may also be interested in https://github.com/logseq/nbb-logseq as a fair amount of logseq core is scriptable

I wish there was something elaborated for scripts that run on Node. I've been using nbb[1] for scripting, and although it all runs through Node.js, it is fast and quick to prototype scripts. The best part is in CI I can simply `npx nbb path/to/script.cljs`. Things get clunky if I want to use anything about of the Node stdlib though, since then you need the dreaded node_modules folder around.

[1] https://github.com/babashka/nbb

For clojure I just found for babashka it seems someone natively compiled jsoup with graalvm and exposed (minimal functionality from it) as a babashka pod, or a possibility would be use nbb like babashka for node. But if racket has the libraries you need and you don't need js/jvm ecosystem than I'm sure it'll be great also

There are some folks using nbb on the backend as well: https://github.com/babashka/nbb, e.g. in AWS Lambdas or via the sitefox framework: https://github.com/chr15m/sitefox. Don't expect stellar performance from nbb since it's interpreted CLJS rather than compiled (as you have with shadow-cljs) but for small scoped projects and fast prototyping it might be ok.

https://github.com/babashka/nbb (babashka for nodejs)

I tried reproducing this example from the nbb documentation.