cjdns VS wesher

This sub is not about TOR and all the seediness that goes on there but rather about creating darknets, by which we/they mean mesh networks and encrypted networks using tools like https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/

One of my favorite projects in IPv6 space is the CJDNS project: LINK TO GITHUB

From a purely networking perspective, there are far better solutions than tailscale.

Have a look at full mesh VPNs like:

https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

https://github.com/yggdrasil-network/yggdrasil-go

https://github.com/gsliepen/tinc

https://github.com/costela/wesher

These build actual mesh networks where every node is equal and can serve as a router for other nodes to resolve difficult network topologies (where some nodes might not be connected to the internet, but do have connections to other nodes with an internet connection).

Sending data through multiple routers is also possible. They also deal with nodes disappearing and change routes accordingly.

tailscale (and similar solutions like netbird) still use a bunch of "proxy servers" for that. You can set them up on intermediate nodes, but that have to be dealt with manually (and you get two kinds of nodes).

I'm excited about P2P/decentralized/distributed overlay networks. Still catching up so would be grateful for tips on resources.

Pinecone[0][1], newer initiative made by former Yggdrasil[2] maker(s).

CJDNS[3].

AIUI CJDNS relies on intermediary high-uptime discoverable router nodes which is what is motivating Pinecone. POKT[4][5] to CJDNS seems like what Filecoin is to IPFS.

I'm yet to get around to doing the groundwork of grokking more established solutions like B.A.T.M.A.N. and how all these pieces fit together,

[0]: https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/matrix_p2p_pinecone/

[1]: https://github.com/matrix-org/pinecone

[2]: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/

[3]: https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/

[4]: https://www.pokt.network/

[5]: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=-xgRUAA_p5E

CJDNS, a further step towards automatic and cryptographically secure nodes at the protocol level#23077

I know there is the Whitepaper. Maybe I miss the part, but I am looking how the path/next Hop is generated.

yggdrasil is a cjdns clone with different routing

cjdns has a whitepaper

https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/Whitepape...

I was really excited for a moment, because I thought this was cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns.

https://github.com/costela/wesher

Wiresmith: Rust, auto-configs clients into a mesh

Maybe take a look at Wesher https://github.com/costela/wesher

I run a Wireguard mesh network with Wesher, and I am pretty sure that there are other projects to automate this. Is there a reason not to use them?

From a purely networking perspective, there are far better solutions than tailscale.

Have a look at full mesh VPNs like:

https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

https://github.com/yggdrasil-network/yggdrasil-go

https://github.com/gsliepen/tinc

https://github.com/costela/wesher

These build actual mesh networks where every node is equal and can serve as a router for other nodes to resolve difficult network topologies (where some nodes might not be connected to the internet, but do have connections to other nodes with an internet connection).

Sending data through multiple routers is also possible. They also deal with nodes disappearing and change routes accordingly.

tailscale (and similar solutions like netbird) still use a bunch of "proxy servers" for that. You can set them up on intermediate nodes, but that have to be dealt with manually (and you get two kinds of nodes).

There are two factors at play here. The client's public IP actually depends on the gateway they use on accessing the internet. You can disable routing and your clients will keep their public IP and general internet access won't go through the VPS. However, if you want the traffic between "clients" also skip the VPS, then you want a mesh network. wesher and wg-meshconf can help you on configuring them.

Have you considered https://github.com/costela/wesher or does this not fit your use case?

I use Hashicorp Consul and Hashicorp Nomad for service discovery and task scheduling respectively, with wesher for my internal private management network that Consul, Nomad, etc run on to protect the management interfaces. Fabio bridges the gap between the wesher wireguard VPN and the rest of my home network.

How does your solution compare to wesher?

How does it compare to https://github.com/costela/wesher?