images VS Flatcar

I'm very sorry that we broke things for you.

To be clear, nothing has changed with Wolfi. Wolfi is an open source community project and everything is still available there: https://github.com/wolfi-dev/.

We have made changes to Chainguard Images - our commercial product built on top of Wolfi - which mean you can no longer pull images by tag (other than latest). Chainguard images are rebuilt everyday and have a not inconsiderable maintenance cost.

The easiest way to avoid this is to build the images yourself. You can rebuild identical images to ours using apko and the source files in the images repo e.g: https://github.com/chainguard-images/images/blob/main/images... (note you can replace package names with versioned versions). You can also just use a Dockerfile with the wolfi-base image to "apk add" packages. Full details are here: https://www.chainguard.dev/unchained/a-guide-on-how-to-use-c...

I agree that pinning is a best practice. The above blog explains that you can still do it using a digest, but I accept this isn't the simplest solution.

If I can help any more, please feel free to get in touch - you can find me most places including twitter https://twitter.com/adrianmouat

We needed Wolfi to be able to create minimal (distroless if you like) container images based on glibc with 0 vulnerabilities. Turns out a lot of other people are interested in Wolfi for various reasons, and we're more than happy to work with them.

You definitely don't need to use Wolfi! But I would say, if you run containers you might want to check out Chainguard Images: https://github.com/chainguard-images/images

In this article, we'll see how to leverage Wolfi to create safer PHP application environments based on containers. To demonstrate Wolfi usage in a Dockerfile workflow (using a Dockerfile to build your image), we'll create an image based on the wolfi-base image maintained by Chainguard. The goal is to have a final runtime image able to execute a PHP command-line script. By definition, this image won't be completely distroless, because it will require APK to be present in order to install system dependencies described in the Dockerfile. For building pure distroless images, you should have a look at apko.

Sounds like you're looking for the CoreOS Linux successor FlatCar https://www.flatcar.org/

It's actually based on some ChromeOS update tools under the hood but is a regular Linux distro, just super minimal and designed to run containers.

I guess if you found my comment to be "comically hyperbolic" then replying to mine with a "comically reductionist" is fair game

So, anyway, I actually did dig up a concrete example of my experience with it, and I cannot link to the "Additional information" section but that is both why I think the thing was a mess and also why the Miroservices YT joke resonated: https://github.com/flatcar/Flatcar/issues/220

I think the CoreOS boot strategy was decomposed into a bunch of different executables, each responsible for doing their own little slice of the world. Maybe it drew inspiration from systemd in that way. But, just like my real life experience with microservices, it requires keeping a bunch of different projects and their upgrade paths in ones head, knowing their disparate config formats, and when one of them inevitably has a bug, understanding how to troubleshoot what went wrong with the system as a whole

And, again in trying to be reasonable in this discussion[1] I do also understand why one would opt for the data URI, given how much of the rest of Ignition loads content from URLs. I don't believe cloud-init has that remote content paradigm baked into in nearly the same way, so I hear you about that.

And yes, my belief is that JSON is a data-exchange format from _computer to computer_ and making people write them is a poor DX choice, IN MY OPINION. And, to reiterate, I know that CoreOS's perspective is that it is a computer-to-computer transmission from the transpiler-project-o-the-day to the Ignition binary, but that is predicated on one having access to that transpiler binary in all cases, which is quite different from the problem that cloud-init is trying to solve

fn-1: I'm sorry you got hurt by my "tire fire" outburst, and that evidently derailed this whole interaction, but it was my experience