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cel-spec
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Apple releases Pkl – onfiguration as code language
My employer uses a combination of Protocol Buffers (for the config schema definition) and Bazel/Starlark (for concrete instantiations). Configs are validated at build time and runtime using CEL (https://github.com/google/cel-spec).
- SQL as API
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CEL for admission controller with ValidatingAdmissionPolicy in K8s 1.26
The Common Expression Language (CEL) implements common semantics for expression evaluation, enabling different applications to more easily interoperate. https://github.com/google/cel-spec
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Pure Ruby implementation of Google Common Expression Language
Looks like Google invented a specification for a simple "expression language." -> https://github.com/google/cel-spec/blob/master/doc/langdef.md. Writing the expressions feels like writing Java, C++, Go, or TypeScript code. Google then released C++ and Go versions of this langauge as a library.
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A library for evaluating expressions like Google Common Expression Language but for Java
https://github.com/google/cel-spec unfortunately, it's in Go or C++. Of course I can write a binding to them. But is there any other similar that you would know of for Java? My other course of action would be to offload computation to another service using this library in Go, or Jsonnet or Open Policy Agent/Rego based evaluation, which I'd prefer not to. Executing JS in Java via Nashorn also an option but it'd be heavy weight.
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JsonLogic
Having a standard way to share expressions does seem quite useful, especially when it's multilingual.
[0]: https://github.com/google/cel-spec
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Google Cloud: IAM Conditions
There's more information about CEL and its specifications here
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Question about setting up multiple applications using nginx.
Especially when dealing with more complex match rules, I personally much prefer Caddy's matchers over building some weird-ass if constructs in Nginx. It also supports CEL for request matching, giving you access to extremely powerful logic, if you need it.
dhall-lang
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Apple releases Pkl – onfiguration as code language
Fail to see how this is any different than Dhall (https://dhall-lang.org/) other than it produces plists too.
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Pkl, a Programming Language for Configuration
Kubernetes config is a decent example. I had ChatGPT generate a representative silly example -- the content doesn't matter so much as the structure:
https://gist.github.com/cstrahan/528b00cd5c3a22e3d8f057bb1a7...
Now consider 100s (if not 1000s) of such files.
I haven't given Pkl an in depth look yet, but I can say that the Industry Standard™ of "simple YAML" + string substitution (with delicate, error prone indentation -- since YAML is indentation sensitive) is easily beat by any of:
- https://jsonnet.org/
- https://nickel-lang.org/
- https://nixos.org/manual/nix/stable/language/index.html
- https://dhall-lang.org/
- (insert many more here, probably including Pkl)
- Why the fuck are we templating YAML? (2019)
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Is Htmx Just Another JavaScript Framework?
There are underpowered languages / tools, that can only solve a problem for which they are intended poorly. But not all limited tools are like that.
Say, eBPF is prominently not Turing-complete, which allows to guarantee that a eBPF program terminates, and even how soon. Still eBPF is hugely useful in its area.
Or, say, regular expressions are limited to regular languages; in particular, they famously [1] cannot process recursive structures, like trees. Still tools like grep / ag / rg are mightily useful.
Yes, I agree that YAML is underpowered for proper k8s configuration! But it's also too powerful for its own good in other aspects [2]. I wish Google used Dhall [3] or their own purely functional config language (FCL? I already forgot the name) instead of YAML; sadly, they did not.
[1]: https://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/223424
[2]: https://ruudvanasseldonk.com/2023/01/11/the-yaml-document-fr...
[3]: https://dhall-lang.org/
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10 Ways for Kubernetes Declarative Configuration Management
Dhall: Dhall is a programmable configuration language that combines features like JSON, functions, types, and import capabilities. Its style leans towards functional programming, so if you're familiar with functional-style languages such as Haskell, you might find Dhall to be quite intuitive.
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Berry is a ultra-lightweight dynamically typed embedded scripting language
I've been thinking along these lines but more 'strongly validated' than statically typed in the sense that you'd be better off being able to load the entire config and then produce a list of problems (and should be able to offer good editor support if done correctly).
Though https://dhall-lang.org/ demonstrates that you can statically type quite a lot of configuration to great advantage, which appears to be programmatically embeddable in multiple languages per https://docs.dhall-lang.org/howtos/How-to-integrate-Dhall.ht...
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What Is the Point of Decidability
> Where practical is in the sense of an engineer (or in their terms, a CS practitioner),
Configuration processing. E.g. I'd like my yamls to be decidable, though I'd settle for guaranteed to halt[1].
[1] https://dhall-lang.org/
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What Is Wrong with TOML?
Maybe you'd like jsonnet: https://jsonnet.org/
I find it particularly useful for configurations that often have repeated boilerplate, like ansible playbooks or deploying a bunch of "similar-but" services to kubernetes (with https://tanka.dev).
Dhall is also quite interesting, with some tradeoffs: https://dhall-lang.org/
A few years ago I did a small comparison by re-implementing one of my simpler ansible playbooks: https://github.com/retzkek/ansible-dhall-jsonnet
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Home Blog Better configuration languages – A talk about Dhall [video]
And to checkout Dhall: https://dhall-lang.org/
What are some alternatives?
jsonlogic - Go Lang implementation of JsonLogic
cue - CUE has moved to https://github.com/cue-lang/cue
json-logic-js - Build complex rules, serialize them as JSON, and execute them in JavaScript
jsonnet - Jsonnet - The data templating language
json-logic-rs - JSONLogic implementation in Rust, accessible via Python and JS
cue - The home of the CUE language! Validate and define text-based and dynamic configuration
jaspr - Modern web framework for building websites in Dart. Supports SPAs and SSR.
terraform - Terraform enables you to safely and predictably create, change, and improve infrastructure. It is a source-available tool that codifies APIs into declarative configuration files that can be shared amongst team members, treated as code, edited, reviewed, and versioned.
secure-json-logic - Use logic-objects from uncertain sources and run them locally without breaking the own system
jsedn - javascript implementation of edn
nix-gui - Use NixOS Without Coding