cage VS arcan

You... might be able to, kind of, depending on your goal... So the thing is, if all you need is a single screen (or at least, I've not run this multi-monitor) and you're just working around drivers that don't support Xorg, you can just run cage ( https://github.com/cage-kiosk/cage ), run xwayland on that, and run your real GUI on that. Of course, then you're skipping all the advantages of wayland except hardware/driver compatibility.

For "real" wayland, sibling comments are correct that you'd need a wayland compositor that reimplemented awesome.

> As a developer, I needed to port a custom Linux system to hardware that only has Wayland drivers and it was a giant pain. Wayland offers no advantage at all for that system but it broke a lot of functionality that relied on X in terms of window placement, etc.

FWIW, I've had decent luck running cage ( https://www.hjdskes.nl/projects/cage/ ), then on that xwayland, and then just ignoring wayland and running X clients. The result does still have some slight quirks, but it mostly works fine.

That did help me find https://github.com/cage-kiosk/cage/wiki initially I'm here there's other going down that path. Thanks

I thought this was going to be some development news with Wayland compositing going further: https://emacsconf.org/2022/talks/wayland/. Maybe it's because 29.1 was on my mind with the full Wayland client support being released.

If you want to just run one application in a modern way (yes, I'm assuming you agree that Wayland is desirable), then check out https://www.hjdskes.nl/projects/cage/.

You can run Wayland inside Xorg via cage[1] so you don't need to use a Wayland compositor.

[1]: https://github.com/cage-kiosk/cage

Just ran into cage, seems useful.

It's kiosk mode. Sometimes related to POS. You can use https://github.com/cage-kiosk/cage (Wayland) for example.

Maybe starting with reimplementing something like this: https://github.com/cage-kiosk/cage would be the easiest?

Something like this ? https://arcan-fe.com/

This requires to remove the terminal emulator plus adjust IPC, like what arcan is doing: https://github.com/letoram/arcan

kragen, what's the current status of BubbleOS?

Also, I'm curious what you think of Arcan (https://arcan-fe.com)

afair ChromeOS do implement it, harder to find the commit but also know Arcan mentioned elsewhere in this thread added it quite a while ago https://github.com/letoram/arcan/commit/d547c55565a848946422e24eee324c8ed091ff15

I managed to find this one in my history: Arcan it does has a cool name ngl, I never tried it though

Lol not arcan

See https://arcan-fe.com/, in particular Lash: https://arcan-fe.com/2022/10/15/whipping-up-a-new-shell-lash...

LOL. Not. Meanwhile, one dude managed to write an entire display server that handles, both, Wayland and X11 apps: https://arcan-fe.com/

Arcan is a decent contender for an actual way forward (and like PipeWire replacing PulseAudio, Arcan natively supports X11 and Wayland clients)