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- Biff, a Web Framework for Clojure
- Why Is Jepsen Written in Clojure?
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Riff: A “mycelium-clj” for the Clojure ecosystem?
I definitely believe Clojure needs a rails. Not only will it help beginners get started, if it can help people get started faster and build fast like Django and rails do, I think it'll help more with adoption.
Biff and fulcro seems like they have a shot at this
Biff- https://github.com/jacobobryant/biff
Fulcro - https://github.com/fulcrologic/fulcro
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State of Clojure 2023 Results
Jacob is doing a fantastic job with https://biffweb.com/ If the Clojure community would focus more of its manpower on such projects, then I think we can make Clojure the obvious choice to start a software business, by saving an insane amount of time. And time is by far the scarcest resource in a startup.
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Leaving Clojure - Feedback for those that care
If you can get away with not using React, I highly recommend Biff. It uses XTDB and Rum by default but they can be swapped out pretty easily for Postgres and Reagent. I'm planning to publish some docs on how to do that when I have a chance.
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Help finding a webdev framework that works out of the box
The best one of these imo is https://biffweb.com
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Any resources for "current best practices and learnings?"
I'm also really liking the strategy of the old-school is new again with sever side rendering serving actual HTML instead of JSON for certain things, using HTMX, an example can be found here: https://biffweb.com/
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Anyone here using HTMX with Clojure?
Take a look at Biff project https://biffweb.com/
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Recommendations on Datalog Databases -- Schema Libraries
+1 for Malli and XT! For the relevant parts of Biff, see the example app's schema and the transaction reference docs. Biff has its own transaction format which includes schema checks via malli and various other conveniences, and it gets translated into XT's lower-level transaction format. Might provide some inspiration at least.
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Biff tutorial: build a chat app with Clojure
Rum is used throughout, though mostly via middleware[1], so you (almost) never see any calls to `rum.core/render-static-markup`. But all of the hiccup-style data structures (`[:div "foo"]`, etc) do get rendered by Rum.
htmx doesn't render anything on the backend; rather it gives the frontend more ways to interact with the backend. e.g. say you make an inline form--htmx gives you the ability to display/submit that form without refreshing the entire page, but all the html that's sent to the frontend is still getting rendered first by Rum.
[1] See https://github.com/jacobobryant/biff/blob/6353c406adef034448... and https://github.com/jacobobryant/biff/blob/6353c406adef034448...
honeysql
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Why Is Jepsen Written in Clojure?
I recall using korma way back I and I don’t recall it being terrible but I would say https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql has very much superseded it by this point… (but I can see how that might not be obviously clear if one is to look at superficial metrics like GitHub stars for example…)
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That's a Lot of YAML
Joins can certainly work in a data format like YAML. For an example, see Honey SQL from the Clojure community [0] (though without something to contrast strings like Clojure's keywords, you miss out on the automatic parameterization).
You mentioned moving JOINs around, so I'll mention that if represented as structured data, you can move any of the top level components around, so you could more closely follow the "true order of SQL" [1]. For example, I would love to be able to put FROM before SELECT in all or almost all cases. There's also being able to share and add to something like a complicated WHERE clause, where essentially all programming languages have built-in facilities for robustly manipulating ordered and associative data compared to string manipulation, which is not well-suited for the task.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't particularly care for YAML (though it doesn't bother me that much), but as someone who's done their fair share of programmatic SQL creation and manipulation in strings, not having a native way to represent SQL as data is a mistake in my opinion.
0: https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql#big-complicated-exa...
- Como desenvolvi um backend web em Clojure
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XTDB 2.x Early Access
In Clojure-land, we are also using HoneySQL [1] which has similar characteristics. You are still working within SQL semantics so it's a bit more complicated, but we are doing great complicated things with just maps, no API necessary.
[1] https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql
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Run SQL queries against your system and get back structured data using osquery and Babashka
using honeysql we can make structured queries as well
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Some questions regarding developing simple web apps in Clojure from a Clojure "beginner"
As someone else already pointed out, next.jdbc is good for database connectivity (for Postgres and beyond). For composing the queries themselves, I strongly recommend Honey SQL. It lets you represent queries themselves as normal Clojure data structures, just vectors and maps.
- What are some more options or good practices for dynamic SQL query building?
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Ask HN: Does anyone else think SQL needs help?
Perhaps you're looking for a way of arranging SQL as an AST represented by data structures (or objects) that can be fed to a compiler. HoneySQL[0] is one such implementation of this idea and it makes your general transformation trivial for Clojure programs. You don't need to mess around with string concatenation because you have a predictable and extensible compiler for data structures (which are themselves easily composable/transformable/storable with Clojure) that you can trust to do the right thing. If you're using some weird database or need an esoteric syntax, extending the compiler to your clause is easy to do[1].
[0] https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql
[1] https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql#extensibility
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Lisp feature - domain specific language
https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql (write SQL without having to write SQL)
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Fly.io Buys Litestream
I've used it from Clojure, via HoneySQL, so no ORM, no danger of SQL injection. It was really wonderful!
https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql
I used it to quickly iterate on the development of migration SQL scripts for a MySQL DB, which was running in production on RDS.
I might have switched to H2 DB later, because that was more compatible with MariaDB, but I could use the same Clojure code, representing the SQL queries, because HoneySQL can emit different syntaxes.
What are some alternatives?
kit - Lightweight, modular framework for scalable web development in Clojure
hugsql - A Clojure library for embracing SQL
clojure-py - A implementation of Clojure in pure (dynamic) Python
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xtdb - An immutable database for application development and time-travel data compliance, with SQL and XTQL. Developed by @juxt
malli - High-performance data-driven data specification library for Clojure/Script.
coast - The fullest full stack clojure web framework
pggen - Generate type-safe Go for any Postgres query. If Postgres can run the query, pggen can generate code for it.
shadow-cljs - ClojureScript compilation made easy
missionary - A functional effect and streaming system for Clojure/Script
nippy - The fastest serialization library for Clojure
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