Stackoverflow-Survey-Analysis VS Mezzano

Neither StackOverflow's tags quantity nor their yearly developer surveys can provide meaningful insights about market share, and they can't provide meaningful advice about what tech will be good for your specific situation, for the same reason that SO doesn't like questions that are likely to attend "opinionated answers".

No the author didn't read the methodology of the Stack Overflow Survey nor did they notice they can get the historical CSV of the survey going back to 2011 [1] which literally tells the number of respondents per language (as-in how popular it is; no secondary population from TIBOE needed). Nor do they seem to understand (unlike you who does understand) that Loved and Dreaded have very specific meanings and Loved does

They did shoddy work and I'm calling them out on it.

The question of "If Java and Ruby appeared today, without piles of old rails apps and old enterprise Java applications to maintain, would they still be dreaded or would they be more likely to show up on the loved list?" is answer.

It's a no. For 2020, Ruby was 4.5% and Java was 8.8% of developer's "Wanted" languages while Go (17.9%), Rust (14.6%), TypeScript (17.0%), Python (30.0% !!). Sure a lot of people would like Ruby and Java (there already are actually a lot of them) but when you're not at the top of the Wanted it's going to be very hard to get to the top of Loved.

[1]: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/

- Dataset: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey

For seven years now, the Rust programming language has been voted the most loved programming language, according to a survey by Stack Overflow. Its popularity stems from its focus on safety, performance, built-in memory management, and concurrency features. All of these reasons make it an excellent choice for building web applications.

I might be able to show you the direction.

Since you are looking in those 3 factors, please study the following findings of the Surveys.

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/

https://www.hackerrank.com/blog/category/industry-insights/

https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/

https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2022/

https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/28/language-rankings-1-2...

https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/10/20/language-rankings-6-2...

You could tinker the above links to get your choice of month/year.

Now, don't be tempted to lock down your decision because there is rarely any good resource to learn( or get help when you are stuck) in that choice you made. This is because learning is always best done via colleagues and bosses.

Simply pause yourself on that and resume with learning Python + FastAPI + JavaScript (or Go + JavaScript). Garnish with Tailwind CSS and you are ready!

This is the easiest way to translate your learning into your choice of stack. In the long run, you will learn Typescript + React for sure. It is as if the right of passage into the market, haha!

A couple more links that you can search on hn.algolia.com

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34530052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34551770

At a certain point, you get a feel for it, but I'd use the Stack Overflow Developer Survey as a good starting point (and you can compare year over year to see what the trends are) https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey

I don't know if there's a rigorous study on this subject but Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2022's data lists 18 083 male vs. 756 female developers without a degree (96% vs. 4%) on a quick glance. This result isn't published directly in their summary, you have to download the dataset and filter it yourself.

Stack Overflow developer sruvey is much better than TIOBE.

Here's a link to the raw CSV data on Stack Overflow.

For quite some time now, JavaScript (JS) has been the language that brings the Web to life. So it's no surprise that since 2014, of all programming and scripting languages, JavaScript has consistently been the most popular technology among software developers, according to Stack Overflow surveys.

Have you made or plan to make any contributions to Mezzano (https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano) or are you mainly interested in seeing how far you can take this thing on your own?

>> except building compilers and OSes

SBCL is written in Lisp, yes? Except the runtime, which is C + asm.

I've heard people wrote some OSes in the past, like Genera. Or if you prefer recent attempt, try https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano. Never tried it, though.

No need to.

Not at all. See mezzano for a notable recent example of an OS written entirely in a dynamic language.

So..

"Why do you want to make Lisp more popular? If you were sucessful, what would be different in the world, and why is that desirable to you?"

Normally at this point I'd listen to the response, and ask more questions based on that. That would wind up with a very, very deep thread, so I'll break a cardinal rule and pre-guess at some answers.

This kind of question comes up pretty frequently. In many cases, I suspect the motivation behind the question is "Wow! Here's this cool tool I've discovered. I want to make something really useful with it. I want to do it as part of a community effort; share my excitement with others, share in their excitement, and know that what I'm making is useful because others find it desirable and are excited by it." The field could be cooking, sports, old machine tools, tiny homes, or demo scene. Its the fundemental driver for most content on HN, YouTube, Instructables, and such. It is a Good Thing.

If that is your motivator, then my suggestion is to find something that bugs you and fix it. You've already decided you're only interested in code, not other aspects. You said you preferred vim, but the emacs ecosystem has a very rich set of sharp edges that need filing off, and a rich set of tools with which to attack them.

One example: even after 50 years there's no open IDE which allows you to easily globally rename a Lisp identifier. I don't know about LispWorks or other proprietary environments, but you can't in emacs or vim do a right-click on "foo" in "(defun foo ()...)" and select a command which automatically renames it in all invocations. [Queue lots of "but you can..." replies here.] I don't think vim is up to the task of doing this internally. It would be possible in emacs; but would require a huge effort with lots of help from other people. If you emerged alive from that rabbit warren you'd join the company of Certified "How Hard Could it Be?" Mad Scientists such as Dr. "I just want to draw molecules" Meister [1] and "Wouldn't an OS in Lisp be Cool" Froggey [2].

[1] https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp

[2] Mezzano https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano

You might want to look at Mezzano which is an operation system written in Common Lisp https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano

I haven’t tried it since moving to M1/ARM, but it is cool.