Stackoverflow-Survey-Analysis VS FrameworkBenchmarks

Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2024

Neither StackOverflow's tags quantity nor their yearly developer surveys can provide meaningful insights about market share, and they can't provide meaningful advice about what tech will be good for your specific situation, for the same reason that SO doesn't like questions that are likely to attend "opinionated answers".

No the author didn't read the methodology of the Stack Overflow Survey nor did they notice they can get the historical CSV of the survey going back to 2011 [1] which literally tells the number of respondents per language (as-in how popular it is; no secondary population from TIBOE needed). Nor do they seem to understand (unlike you who does understand) that Loved and Dreaded have very specific meanings and Loved does

They did shoddy work and I'm calling them out on it.

The question of "If Java and Ruby appeared today, without piles of old rails apps and old enterprise Java applications to maintain, would they still be dreaded or would they be more likely to show up on the loved list?" is answer.

It's a no. For 2020, Ruby was 4.5% and Java was 8.8% of developer's "Wanted" languages while Go (17.9%), Rust (14.6%), TypeScript (17.0%), Python (30.0% !!). Sure a lot of people would like Ruby and Java (there already are actually a lot of them) but when you're not at the top of the Wanted it's going to be very hard to get to the top of Loved.

[1]: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/

- Dataset: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey

For seven years now, the Rust programming language has been voted the most loved programming language, according to a survey by Stack Overflow. Its popularity stems from its focus on safety, performance, built-in memory management, and concurrency features. All of these reasons make it an excellent choice for building web applications.

I might be able to show you the direction.

Since you are looking in those 3 factors, please study the following findings of the Surveys.

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/

https://www.hackerrank.com/blog/category/industry-insights/

https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/

https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2022/

https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/28/language-rankings-1-2...

https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/10/20/language-rankings-6-2...

You could tinker the above links to get your choice of month/year.

Now, don't be tempted to lock down your decision because there is rarely any good resource to learn( or get help when you are stuck) in that choice you made. This is because learning is always best done via colleagues and bosses.

Simply pause yourself on that and resume with learning Python + FastAPI + JavaScript (or Go + JavaScript). Garnish with Tailwind CSS and you are ready!

This is the easiest way to translate your learning into your choice of stack. In the long run, you will learn Typescript + React for sure. It is as if the right of passage into the market, haha!

A couple more links that you can search on hn.algolia.com

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34530052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34551770

At a certain point, you get a feel for it, but I'd use the Stack Overflow Developer Survey as a good starting point (and you can compare year over year to see what the trends are) https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey

I don't know if there's a rigorous study on this subject but Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2022's data lists 18 083 male vs. 756 female developers without a degree (96% vs. 4%) on a quick glance. This result isn't published directly in their summary, you have to download the dataset and filter it yourself.

Stack Overflow developer sruvey is much better than TIOBE.

Here's a link to the raw CSV data on Stack Overflow.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r23&tes...

Here is your transaction throughput. But I'm sure AWS's whole platform team, Alibaba, third of Google, etc don't know what they are doing.

Since 2013, TechEmpower has established a backend framework benchmark. They meticulously define benchmark specifications and maintain an open-source approach that encourages contributions from the community. This benchmark has become a respected standard in the tech industry, serving as a reliable yardstick for technology competitors to assess the performance of their solutions (exemple Go Fiber, C# Asp.net, JS Just). So I can trust the Techempower benchmark.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r23&l=z...

I thought to include other implementation from Ruby and Elixir. Rails has always been doing much more and on the heavier side of things. There are also many test that simply by switching server to iodine brings the performance to Elixir / Phoenix level.

I tried seeing how it ranks on the 2025 tech empower benchmarks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r23&l=v...

And up against C#, Go and C++, no Swift library (including vapor) could make the top 70.

Even just compare Swift vs PHP and its a really poor showing for vapor: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r23&l=v...

References & Further Reading: TechEmpower Framework Benchmarks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

Rust typically beats Go web frameworks on tech empower performance benchmarks, if you're curious where languages typically rank up in terms of web framework performance. https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r23

What does "pure raw metal" performance mean? Go has a garbage collector, which I usually hear causing GC pauses negatively affecting performance compared to C/C++/Rust.

* Ruby and Python are painfully slow, but everyone else sorta sits in a pack together

I will probably be able to find another benchmark that says completely different things.

Benchmarking is hard.

I'm also having trouble finding the article from HN that I was sure I saw about Next.JS's SSR rendering performance being abysmal.

[0] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r23

[1] https://web-frameworks-benchmark.netlify.app/result?asc=0&f=...