Odin VS JaiPrimer

There's also Odin[0] too. I tried using them all and Odin was pretty nice. Nim is also good too but a lot more features.

But - I concluded that language matters a lot less compared to APIs. Yes, the language should have enough good features to let the programmers express themselves, but overall well designed APIs matter a lot more than language. For example -tossing most of the C stdlib and following a consistent coding style (similar to one described here -[1]), with using Arenas for memory allocation, I can be just as productive in C.

[0] - https://odin-lang.org

I highly recommend looking at:

* The Overview: <https://odin-lang.org/docs/overview/>

* examples/demo: <https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/blob/master/examples/demo/...>

As for the first example: a basic lexing example is probably boring, but it does show some basic ideas of what the language is about. If people want to write better examples or just reorder the current ones, please feel free to make an issue or PR on the website's GitHub page: <https://github.com/odin-lang/odin-lang.org>.

I use Odin primarily, it’s C-level but pascal/Go syntax and inspiration https://odin-lang.org/

Website: https://odin-lang.org/

Get it from the website: https://odin-lang.org/ -- Odin includes bindings to popular gamedev libraries & APIs such as Raylib, SDL, DirectX, OpenGL and Vulkan.

The first and most important step is having a language without statements and only expressions.

But, as Jai needs a `return` in functions, it already failed the trivial test.

https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md

Thanks, and yes, I didn't think about closures.

Talking about closures, I also don't know why Jai needs explicit capture lists. In C++ and Rust I understand the need for them, because you have various ways to pass them into the lambda, but Jai doesn't seem to care, at least in the examples at https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md....

Jonathan Blow & co will probably be busy enough trying to release Braid: Anniversary Edition this year (it will be Braid's 15th anniversary this August), and this will push the release of untitled-Sokoban-game until 2024 or later. Note also that the sokoban game is intended to promote the new programming language he is creating (https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md), so that might slow development / delay the release of the game beyond what would be expected for a normal videogame. (Ie, it's not just the sokoban game that needs to be ready for release, but also perhaps other features of the new language.)

There's quite a lot of information, just not very accessible.

https://www.twitch.tv/j_blow/videos?filter=archives&sort=tim... : this is jai's author livestreaming language development, most up-to-date

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmV5I2fxaiCKfxMBrNsU1... : a cureated subset of twitch videos, possibly outdated info

https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md : a summary of jai based on the above curated videos, possibly outdated

The Jai language is the main competitor to C++ I feel. The compile times are insanely short, which is what slows you down the most when actually developing a game in C++ Unreal.

There has been a lot of hype about the Jai programming language (for game development), but another language that has been heavily influenced by it and has a lot of similar syntax and concepts is Odin. Here is a blow by blow comparison, Jai vs Odin.

This reminded me of Jai, the language by Jon Blow. In the Primer here: https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md, the section on Data-oriented design is relevant. Note that the bottom of the OP article mentions explicitly the games industry as caring about this; relevant given Blow's background.

Look for "Data oriented design" or "Structs of arrays".

Here's a talk on the former by Mike Acton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHc

On the latter, there's Jai, a new programming language for games (WIP, unpublished) by Jonathan Blow, who has been very public in documenting the process creating it, and which is centered around such concepts. There is some unofficial documentation of the ideas on SoA vs AoS and how the language can help switching between the two, e.g. here: https://pixeldroid.com/jailang/overview/Features/SOA/#/overv... and here: https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md...

Isn't that still the very thing that is done in various game engine entity component systems? Interestingly Jai language has out of box syntactic support for handling structs of arrays vs arrays of structs https://github.com/BSVino/JaiPrimer/blob/master/JaiPrimer.md#data-oriented-structures