KEEP VS Rustup

`Either foo()` and `Foo foo() throws MyError` and are pretty much isomorphic.

https://github.com/Kotlin/KEEP/blob/master/proposals/stdlib/...

Nice. So for example, it looks like Kotlin has a nearly identical feature at the language level which will be optimizable when Valhalla ships: https://github.com/Kotlin/KEEP/blob/master/notes/value-class...

> In the future, in a Valhalla-capable JVM, JVM primitive classes will enable efficient representation of Kotlin value classes with an arbitrary number of underlying fields on JVM.

Most other languages agree that checked exceptions are not good by not having them.

As for alternatives, Try/Result and similar monads have decent adoption even in Java, but personally I quite like the Kotlin philosophy [1] to not have generic error containers and either use runtime exceptions or make failures of the return type.

[1] https://github.com/Kotlin/KEEP/blob/master/proposals/stdlib/...

If you want to read more and don't want to google it: https://github.com/Kotlin/KEEP/blob/data-objects/proposals/data-objects.md

Under the hood: https://github.com/Kotlin/KEEP/blob/master/proposals/coroutines.md .

you can check more here

You can use explicit API mode, then everything needs explicit visibility

I got it to finally work by following this

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We had a snap package; we removed it in mid 2022

I don't know. The PR references prior discussion without a link, so it may have been private.

As long as he doesn't put hidden folders in your root like rust. https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341

I think you're being upvoted by folks who don't know better, which is a shame because you're making things up :/. The telemetry feature in rustup kept everything local and never "pinged home". And you had to enable it with a command `rustup telemetry enable`. And it just logged JSON files at the path you mentioned. By 2019, the feature was disabled (see: https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341 ) because no one worked on it and it just gathered bugs.

FWIW, there is a proposal to add telemetry to LLVM [0] and Rust used to have telemetry [1], both off by default. Some things in the node.js world have telemetry enabled by default, like Next.js [3].

Some people are posting here as if this as already decided -- AFIACT, that's not the case. It's not even a formal proposal yet, and the stated intent was to start a conversation around something concrete. (For context, this is standard for how I've seen the Go project approaches large topics, including for example I think there were something like ~8 very detailed generics design drafts from the core Go team over ~10 years).

It sounds like the Go team is going to take some time to look into some of the alternative approaches suggested in the feedback collected so far.

In any event, this is obviously a topic people are very passionate about, especially opt-in vs. opt-out, but I guess I would suggest not giving up hope quite yet.

[0] https://discourse.llvm.org/t/rfc-lldb-telemetry-metrics/6458...

[1] https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341

[2] https://nextjs.org/telemetry

Rust (Specifically Rust Up) seems to have planned to include telemetry but they paused and cancelled the decision, possibly after implementing it initially.

https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341 and rust installation uses telemetry