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JuliaInterpreter.jl
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Do you use Julia for general purpose tasks?
The projects page is a list of suggestions of projects that someone has already said they want to run. If you can find a mentor, you can submit a project for anything. For potential performance improvements, I'd look at https://github.com/JuliaDebug/JuliaInterpreter.jl/issues/206, https://github.com/JuliaDebug/JuliaInterpreter.jl/issues/312, and https://github.com/JuliaDebug/JuliaInterpreter.jl/issues/314. I'm not sure if Tim Holy or Kristoffer have time to mentor a project, but if you're interested in doing a gsoc, ask around in the Julia slack/zulip, and you might be able to find a mentor.
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Julia 1.7 has been released
I would not go as far as calling it very naive, there has certainly been some work put into optimizing performance within the current design.
There are probably some gains to be had by using a different storage format for the IR though as proposed in [1], but it is difficult to say how much of a difference that will make in practice.
[1] https://github.com/JuliaDebug/JuliaInterpreter.jl/pull/309
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What's Bad about Julia?
You're right, done some more research and there seems to be an interpreter in the compiler: https://github.com/JuliaDebug/JuliaInterpreter.jl. It's only enabled by putting an annotation, and is mainly used for the debugger, but it's still there.
Still, it still seems to try executing the internal SSA IR in its raw form (which is more geared towards compiling rather than dynamic execution in a VM). I was talking more towards a conventional bytecode interpreter (which you can optimize the hell out of it like LuaJIT did). A bytecode format that is carefully designed for fast execution (in either a stack-based or register-based VM) would be much better for interpreters, but I'm not sure if Julia's language semantics / object model can allow it. Maybe some intelligent people out there can make the whole thing work, is what I was trying to say.
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Julia: faster than Fortran, cleaner than Numpy
It could, but that is a lot more work than it sounds. It might be easier to make it possible to swap out the compiler for one that is much faster (LLVM is slow but does good optimisations, other compilers like cranelift are faster but produce slower code). There is a Julia interpreter but it was written in Julia itself (it was written to support debuggers), so it doesn't really solve the latency issues.
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Julia: Faster than Fortran, cleaner than Numpy
If you need to run small scripts and can't switch to a persistent-REPL-based workflow, you might consider starting Julia with the `--compile=min` option. You can also reduce startup times dramatically by building a sysimg with PackageCompiler.jl
There is also technically an interpreter if you want to go that way [1], so in principle it might be possible to do the same trick javascript does, but someone would have to implement that.
[1] https://github.com/JuliaDebug/JuliaInterpreter.jl
RecursiveFactorization.jl
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Can Fortran survive another 15 years?
What about the other benchmarks on the same site? https://docs.sciml.ai/SciMLBenchmarksOutput/stable/Bio/BCR/ BCR takes about a hundred seconds and is pretty indicative of systems biological models, coming from 1122 ODEs with 24388 terms that describe a stiff chemical reaction network modeling the BCR signaling network from Barua et al. Or the discrete diffusion models https://docs.sciml.ai/SciMLBenchmarksOutput/stable/Jumps/Dif... which are the justification behind the claims in https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.30.502135v1 that the O(1) scaling methods scale better than O(log n) scaling for large enough models? I mean.
> If you use special routines (BLAS/LAPACK, ...), use them everywhere as the respective community does.
It tests with and with BLAS/LAPACK (which isn't always helpful, which of course you'd see from the benchmarks if you read them). One of the key differences of course though is that there are some pure Julia tools like https://github.com/JuliaLinearAlgebra/RecursiveFactorization... which outperform the respective OpenBLAS/MKL equivalent in many scenarios, and that's one noted factor for the performance boost (and is not trivial to wrap into the interface of the other solvers, so it's not done). There are other benchmarks showing that it's not apples to apples and is instead conservative in many cases, for example https://github.com/SciML/SciPyDiffEq.jl#measuring-overhead showing the SciPyDiffEq handling with the Julia JIT optimizations gives a lower overhead than direct SciPy+Numba, so we use the lower overhead numbers in https://docs.sciml.ai/SciMLBenchmarksOutput/stable/MultiLang....
> you must compile/write whole programs in each of the respective languages to enable full compiler/interpreter optimizations
You do realize that a .so has lower overhead to call from a JIT compiled language than from a static compiled language like C because you can optimize away some of the bindings at the runtime right? https://github.com/dyu/ffi-overhead is a measurement of that, and you see LuaJIT and Julia as faster than C and Fortran here. This shouldn't be surprising because it's pretty clear how that works?
I mean yes, someone can always ask for more benchmarks, but now we have a site that's auto updating tons and tons of ODE benchmarks with ODE systems ranging from size 2 to the thousands, with as many things as we can wrap in as many scenarios as we can wrap. And we don't even "win" all of our benchmarks because unlike for you, these benchmarks aren't for winning but for tracking development (somehow for Hacker News folks they ignore the utility part and go straight to language wars...).
If you have a concrete change you think can improve the benchmarks, then please share it at https://github.com/SciML/SciMLBenchmarks.jl. We'll be happy to make and maintain another.
- Yann Lecun: ML would have advanced if other lang had been adopted versus Python
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Small Neural networks in Julia 5x faster than PyTorch
Ask them to download Julia and try it, and file an issue if it is not fast enough. We try to have the latest available.
See for example: https://github.com/JuliaLinearAlgebra/RecursiveFactorization...
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Why Fortran is easy to learn
Julia defaults to OpenBLAS but libblastrampoline makes it so that `using MKL` flips it to MKL on the fly. See the JuliaCon video for more details on that (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6hptekOR7s). The recursive comparison is against OpenBLAS/LAPACK and MKL, see this PR for some (older) details: https://github.com/YingboMa/RecursiveFactorization.jl/pull/2... . What it really comes down to in the end is that OpenBLAS is rather bad, and MKL is optimized for Intel CPUs but not for AMD CPUs, so when the best CPUs are now all AMD CPUs, having a new set of BLAS tools and mixing that with recursive LAPACK tools is either as good or better on most modern systems. Then we see this in practice even when we build BLAS into Sundials for 1,000 ODE chemical reaction networks (https://benchmarks.sciml.ai/html/Bio/BCR.html).
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Julia 1.7 has been released
>I hope those benchmarks are coming in hot
M1 is extremely good for PDEs because of its large cache lines.
https://github.com/SciML/DiffEqOperators.jl/issues/407#issue...
The JuliaSIMD tools which are internally used for BLAS instead of OpenBLAS and MKL (because they tend to outperform standard BLAS's for the operations we use https://github.com/YingboMa/RecursiveFactorization.jl/pull/2...) also generate good code for M1, so that was giving us some powerful use cases right off the bat even before the heroics allowed C/Fortran compilers to fully work on M1.
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Why I Use Nim instead of Python for Data Processing
Not necessarily true with Julia. Many libraries like DifferentialEquations.jl are Julia all of the way down because the pure Julia BLAS tools outperform OpenBLAS and MKL in certain areas. For example see:
https://github.com/YingboMa/RecursiveFactorization.jl/pull/2...
So a stiff ODE solve is pure Julia, LU-factorizations and all.
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Julia Receives DARPA Award to Accelerate Electronics Simulation by 1,000x
Also, the major point is that BLAS has little to no role played here. Algorithms which just hit BLAS are very suboptimal already. There's a tearing step which reduces the problem to many subproblems which is then more optimally handled by pure Julia numerical linear algebra libraries which greatly outperform OpenBLAS in the regime they are in:
https://github.com/YingboMa/RecursiveFactorization.jl#perfor...
And there are hooks in the differential equation solvers to not use OpenBLAS in many cases for this reason:
https://github.com/SciML/DiffEqBase.jl/blob/master/src/linea...
Instead what this comes out to is more of a deconstructed KLU, except instead of parsing to a single sparse linear solve you can do semi-independent nonlinear solves which are then spawning parallel jobs of small semi-dense linear solves which are handled by these pure Julia linear algebra libraries.
And that's only a small fraction of the details. But at the end of the day, if someone is thinking "BLAS", they are already about an order of magnitude behind on speed. The algorithms to do this effectively are much more complex than that.
What are some alternatives?
Diffractor.jl - Next-generation AD
tiny-cuda-nn - Lightning fast C++/CUDA neural network framework
DaemonMode.jl - Client-Daemon workflow to run faster scripts in Julia
PrimesResult - The results of the Dave Plummer's Primes Drag Race
Tullio.jl - ⅀
SciMLBenchmarks.jl - Scientific machine learning (SciML) benchmarks, AI for science, and (differential) equation solvers. Covers Julia, Python (PyTorch, Jax), MATLAB, R
julia-numpy-fortran-test - Comparing Julia vs Numpy vs Fortran for performance and code simplicity
Infiltrator.jl - No-overhead breakpoints in Julia
svls - SystemVerilog language server
rust - Empowering everyone to build reliable and efficient software.
SuiteSparse.jl - Development of SuiteSparse.jl, which ships as part of the Julia standard library.