Java-Hello-World-Enterprise-Edition VS javalin

If you judge productivity by lines of code, absolutely.

https://github.com/Hello-World-EE/Java-Hello-World-Enterpris... is an excellent demonstration of this.

This reminds me of the "enterprise programming" mindset in OOP where people would make factories, strategies, strategy factories etc. just for the sake of it (instead of those solutions serving a real need) and ending up codebases that look like Hello World enterprise edition.

No other language or framework seems to get the same scrutiny as JavaScript.

The Enterprise Java solutions never seem to get as much discussion but we all recognize it also as being equally if not more so absurd[1]. This is true of every language and framework that gains mass adoption and use. Scala projects are crazy complex, the python 2 to python 3 migration was a mess, none of these are problems. They reflect the improvements in every metric to the underlying platforms and systems - end user experience, developer experience, reliability, testability etc.

JavaScript is in a phenomenal place today - we have come "full circle" but with better tooling, new capabilities, improved experiences etc.

There's a lot of keeping up with the jones' - that's partly nice as its job security and partly nice as a reflection of engineers improving our own ecosystem.

[1] https://github.com/Hello-World-EE/Java-Hello-World-Enterpris...

It’s bad, but not as bad as the enterprise edition

Hello World Enterprise Edition - https://github.com/Hello-World-EE/Java-Hello-World-Enterprise-Edition

You might actually have to think about writing longass assembly hello world, but I can spin up fifteen Enterprise Java Hello World APIs in an afternoon.

Haven't written Java in years, but I'd take an enterprise edition program written in it, much like this one: https://github.com/Hello-World-EE/Java-Hello-World-Enterprise-Edition

If you've read this far, you might be interested to know that Javalin has been offering Brotli compression through jvm-brotli for three years already, and that there have been no (reported) issues. In other words, the effort required to release and maintain this is probably not huge.

I'm a big fan of Ktor (ktor.io) but another reasonable lightweight alternative is Javelin (https://javalin.io/). Heck even Spring Boot isn't that bad. HikariCP + JooQ (has both java and kotlin codegen) for DB access if you need and you're good to go.

A similar alternative that does not rely on web sockets is https://htmx.org. I have greatly enjoyed using it with some simpler web frameworks like https://javalin.io to do some prototyping and smaller projects. I'm sure if someone made a plug and play UI library like material UI for Angular on top of htmx you could absolutely fly through MVPs.

Javalin

If you're already familiar with most of the concepts around HTTP and web services, I'd recommend using something like https://javalin.io/ which is light weight frame work that makes getting something up and running quickly a very easy task.

I've been looking at https://javalin.io/ Seems close enough to express and some big names are using it, so I wouldn't say it's fizzling out

Javalin (https://javalin.io) is strongly inspired by Express and Koa, so you should feel right at home:

If you want to do a proper comparison between the two, I would be happy to help with code examples from Javalin's side. I could even host it on https://javalin.io as a "Comparison to Jooby" blog post.