Bookmate VS Internet-Places-Database

Create a list of bookmarks linking to websites you find interesting, and publish it for the world to see...The model is as recursive as it is simple. There is nothing preventing a list of bookmarks from linking to another list of bookmarks...The creation of a bookmark list is a surprisingly fun project.

I agree. I've often thought of people publishing a list of bookmarks in a way that everyone can see. I even created DownloadNet originally based on this idea. I wanted a way to publish one of my bookmark folders as a server for people.

But then, as so often happens, the simple idea evolved, and I got carried away by who knows what (technical challenges? I don't know) and ended up creating a personal archive and search engine with only a scant integration with bookmarks.

This article is a good reminder of what originally seemed to me a good idea. Perhaps I should add it there. Also, perhaps p2p could be an easy way to federate these things? Not everyone can just create their own server, nor do they want to host it on big providers always.

I've been tossing around the idea of p2p as a way to "solve" this, but it's still rather formless: new and vague. Over the last 3 days I created a p2p blog (and again, got carried away -- perhaps with technical challenges -- and added p2p chat). But I think there's something there.

Perhaps I should listen to that idea that keeps recurring for me. To that first version of it anyway.

Something simple, that unifies, publishing a bookmark folder (I have some chrome bookmark reading code^0), over p2p (I have janus^1), and possibly uses either the popularity of DownloadNet, or even some of the search/archiving stuff -- without getting carried away -- to assist in delivery or marketing.

I don't know. A clear synthesis right now escapes me, but that's OK. I think there's something there: bookmarks (maybe a special bookmark folder, something referential, like "/var/www/html"), into which bookmarks go and then become public; a lightweight p2p server (that perhaps in some limit future could be federates effortlessly for p2p discovery, but who knows how?). Ugh...still too complex perhaps.

Bookmark folder + p2p + transitive (my bookmark folder includes a link to another person's bookmark folder ~~ somehow).

So it's like that article recently on the homepage "We need webrings" or sth. I didn't think that was particularly a good idea, but now I see at least a partial appeal.

The "link" to another person's p2p bookmark "folder" will instead be a normal www hyperlink that links to the "signalling access point" where you can do the ritual to make the connection.

People may think the weirdness, unavailability (you have to be running the little service in your terminal or as a daemon), and difficulty makes it a non-starter. But I think these "backward" elements, could be a paradoxical strength.

I don't know. I think there's something there. I definitely want to keep pushing in this direction, anyhow.

0: https://github.com/00000o1/Bookmate

I started gathering domains to see for myself the state of the Internet

https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

I have many observations.

One is that I cannot see aby useful amiga links. I had to manually search them for some time. Some parts of the old internet exist, but are buried.

Second is that spam sites are everywhere. Not only AI generator.

Next is that personal sites exist, but they are often boring. Also 'CV sites' are a waste of time for me. I wonder how many of them are fake.

Many sites have poorly set up HTML meta fields, title, description. How anybody is supposed to find them?

I prefer going to passionate personal site about programming tips that reading content farms. It is difficult to find such sites.

You can find many RSS feeds, links in my repository

https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database/tree/ma...

It contains also domain lists, that include tag indicating, if it is personal, or not.

I am running my personal web crawler since September of 2022. I gather internet domains and assign them meta information. There are various sources of my data. I assign "personal" tag to any personal website. I assign "self-host" tag to any self-host program I find.

I have less than 30k of personal websites.

Data are in the repository.

https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

I still rely on google for many things, or kagi. It is interesting to me, what my crawler finds next. It is always a surprise to see new blog, or forgotten forum of sorts.

This is how I discover real new content on the Internet. Certainly not by google which can find only BBC, or techcrunch.

Google will not be interested in fixing search. It also may not be possibile because of ai spam. They would like to invest in deep mind/bard/gemini than to fix technology that will be obsolete in a few years.

I have started scanning domains to see how many different places there are in the internet. Spoiler: Not many.

We could try to create curated open databases for links, forums, places, and links, but in ai era it will always be a niche.

Having said that I think that it is a good thing. If it is a niche it will not be spoiled by normal users expecting simple behavior, or corporations trying to control the output.

Start your blog

Start your curated lists of links.

Control your data. Share your data.

Link https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

There are already many project about search:

- https://www.marginalia.nu/

- https://searchmysite.net/

- https://lucene.apache.org/

- elastic search

- https://presearch.com/

- https://stract.com/

- https://wiby.me/

I think that all project are fun. I would like to see one succeeding at reaching mainstream level of attention.

I have also been gathering links meta data for some time. Maybe I will use them to feed any eventual self hosted search engine, or language model, if I decide to experiment with that.

- domains for seed https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

- bookmarks seed https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database

- links for year https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database-2024

I have myself dabbled a little bit in that subject. Some of my notes:

- some RSS feeds are protected by cloudflare. It is true however that it is not necessary for majority of blogs. If you would like to do more then selenium would be a way to solve "cloudflare" protected links

- sometimes even selenium headless is not enough and full blown browser in selenium is necessary to fool it's protection

- sometimes even that is not enough

- then I started to wonder, why some RSS feeds are so well protected by cloudflare, but who am I to judge?

- sometimes it is beneficial to cover user agent. I feel bad for setting my user agent to chrome, but again, why RSS feeds are so well protected?

- you cannot parse, read entire Internet, therefore you always need to think about compromises. For example I have narrowed area of my searches in one of my projects to domains only. Now I can find most of the common domains, and I sort them by their "importance"

- RSS links do change. There need to be automated means to disable some feeds automatically to prevent checking inactive domains

- I do not see any configurable timeout for reading a page, but I am not familiar with aiohttp. Some pages might waste your time

- I hate that some RSS feeds are not configured properly. Some sites do not provide a valid meta "link" with "application/rss+xml". Some RSS feeds have naive titles like "Home", or no title at all. Such a waste of opportunity

My RSS feed parser, link archiver, web crawler: https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive. Especially interesting could be file rsshistory/webtools.py. It is not advanced programming craft, but it got the job done.

Additionally, in other project I have collected around 2378 of personal sites. I collect domains in https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database/tree/ma... . These files are JSONs. All personal sites have tag "personal".

Most of the things are collected from:

https://nownownow.com/

https://searchmysite.net/

I wanted also to process domains from https://downloads.marginalia.nu/, but haven't got time to read structure of the files

On the other hand it is not 1995. Time has moved on. I wrote a Simple RSS feed, that also serves as search engine for bookmarks.

I am able to run it in attick on raspberry pi. We do not have to rely so heavily on google.

https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive

It is true that it does not serve me as google, or kagi replacement. It is a very nice addition though.

With a little bit off determination I do not have to be so dependent on google.

Here is also a dump of known domains. Some are personal.

https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

...and my bookmarks

https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database

Some more years, and google can go to hell.

[4] https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive

These are exported then to github repositories:

[5] https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database - bookmarks

[6] https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database-2023 - 2023 year news headlines

[7] https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database - all known to me domains, and RSS feeds

My own repositories:

- bookmarked entries https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database

- mostly domains https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

- all 'news' from 2023 https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database-2023

I am using my own Django program to capture and manage links https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive.