.tmux VS dhall-lang

No I didn't condigure any of it and I"m using oh my tmux conf.

Oh my tmux! requires tmux 2.4+ and I would like to figure out what's oldest version of tmux people are actively using.

Here's a good source for more in-depth tuning .tmux.conf

Looks like no one has mentioned https://github.com/gpakosz/.tmux

You still need to learn the basics but this lowers the learning curve a lot.

Totally! Lately (this last year or so) i am also using this on top of tmux https://github.com/gpakosz/.tmux I don't knmow if you know it, its very close to the old configuration I worte myself, but with more colors :P

To get started with a decent tmux setup, start here: https://github.com/gpakosz/.tmux

- [-] The journey has began at some time 2020 - [x] Getting boring with `atom`, `vscode`, `sublime`. Why? 1. Too slow on managing projects, each project takes **2GB** storage 2. `atom` and `vscode` are electron-based app, so it's heavy 3. Sublime is quite good, but heavily on indexing project's files - [x] Try `vim`, doing `vimtutorial`, getting struggled and ... struggled with the new ugly motions `hjkl` - [x] Few weeks passed, still getting struggled with vim - [x] Retried with `doom emacs`, but with vim bindings. Doom also supports many cool plugins - [x] Wao, `doom` is cool, project management is super cool, searching is blazing fast too - [x] Keep trying `doom`, for few weeks - [-] Then, getting boring with `doom`, it's basically emacs with vi-binding layer - [x] Retry `vim` with `bootstrap` [config](https://vim-bootstrap.com/) - [x] After ~2 months, the vim feeling is much better - [x] Add some plugins: `fzf`, session management, `grep/ack` search - [x] Add lsp [coc](https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim) - [x] Add/play with more plugins, yay yay yay !!! - [x] `tpope` plugins are such amazing - [x] Try `tmux`, hmm, quite good - [x] Use this awesome `tmux` [config](https://github.com/gpakosz/.tmux) - [-] 2020-07-23 Start doing a personal dotfiles - [x] Keep using `vim` + `tmux` - [x] Move to `neovim` 0.4.0, then `0.5.0+` - [x] Start note-taking with `vimwiki`, then with other plugins - [-] Try `roam`, `obsidian` - [-] Stop using `vimwiki`, not sure what happened ??? Maybe boring mainly - [o] 2022-{01..06} Try other wiki tools, `taskwarrior`, `todoist`, and `orgmode` - [o] Still getting struggled on how to note-taking

And if you use tmux, https://github.com/gpakosz/.tmux configures SSH integration for you.

I use this popular config. Running Ubuntu Server. I am using Git Credential Manager with pinentry-curses.

Fail to see how this is any different than Dhall (https://dhall-lang.org/) other than it produces plists too.

Kubernetes config is a decent example. I had ChatGPT generate a representative silly example -- the content doesn't matter so much as the structure:

https://gist.github.com/cstrahan/528b00cd5c3a22e3d8f057bb1a7...

Now consider 100s (if not 1000s) of such files.

I haven't given Pkl an in depth look yet, but I can say that the Industry Standard™ of "simple YAML" + string substitution (with delicate, error prone indentation -- since YAML is indentation sensitive) is easily beat by any of:

- https://jsonnet.org/

- https://nickel-lang.org/

- https://nixos.org/manual/nix/stable/language/index.html

- https://dhall-lang.org/

- (insert many more here, probably including Pkl)

There are underpowered languages / tools, that can only solve a problem for which they are intended poorly. But not all limited tools are like that.

Say, eBPF is prominently not Turing-complete, which allows to guarantee that a eBPF program terminates, and even how soon. Still eBPF is hugely useful in its area.

Or, say, regular expressions are limited to regular languages; in particular, they famously [1] cannot process recursive structures, like trees. Still tools like grep / ag / rg are mightily useful.

Yes, I agree that YAML is underpowered for proper k8s configuration! But it's also too powerful for its own good in other aspects [2]. I wish Google used Dhall [3] or their own purely functional config language (FCL? I already forgot the name) instead of YAML; sadly, they did not.

[1]: https://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/223424

[2]: https://ruudvanasseldonk.com/2023/01/11/the-yaml-document-fr...

[3]: https://dhall-lang.org/

Dhall: Dhall is a programmable configuration language that combines features like JSON, functions, types, and import capabilities. Its style leans towards functional programming, so if you're familiar with functional-style languages such as Haskell, you might find Dhall to be quite intuitive.

I've been thinking along these lines but more 'strongly validated' than statically typed in the sense that you'd be better off being able to load the entire config and then produce a list of problems (and should be able to offer good editor support if done correctly).

Though https://dhall-lang.org/ demonstrates that you can statically type quite a lot of configuration to great advantage, which appears to be programmatically embeddable in multiple languages per https://docs.dhall-lang.org/howtos/How-to-integrate-Dhall.ht...

> Where practical is in the sense of an engineer (or in their terms, a CS practitioner),

Configuration processing. E.g. I'd like my yamls to be decidable, though I'd settle for guaranteed to halt[1].

[1] https://dhall-lang.org/

Maybe you'd like jsonnet: https://jsonnet.org/

I find it particularly useful for configurations that often have repeated boilerplate, like ansible playbooks or deploying a bunch of "similar-but" services to kubernetes (with https://tanka.dev).

Dhall is also quite interesting, with some tradeoffs: https://dhall-lang.org/

A few years ago I did a small comparison by re-implementing one of my simpler ansible playbooks: https://github.com/retzkek/ansible-dhall-jsonnet

And to checkout Dhall: https://dhall-lang.org/