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I learned by reading through a book, then working through problems on https://4clojure.oxal.org/. If you've got JS experience it won't take too much effort to pick up. Don't get too carried away with forming the perfect tail recursive pure functional monad or whatever. Get into just doing what you're trying to do quickly, then after you're competent, read other people's code to correct your style.
Not an expert, but I would expect hunchentoot https://edicl.github.io/hunchentoot/ for the backend and a Common Lisp "dsl" generating javascript for the frontend.
Yep, two types in fact, line comments with ; and a discard sequence - you can tag code that is read (so it must be correct), but then discarded. We have edn files that are well documented with comments.
https://github.com/edn-format/edn#comments
We have a number of libraries that are easy to use together for the backend, no fancy web framework (build your auth page yourself), no fancy client-side lispy libraries. We might have a Fighweel-like tool, but no one is interested (Trident-mode for Emacs).
There's one framework that looks promising to build fully dynamic apps in pure CL with one code base (websockets inside). It provides a GUI-like experience to build all kind of apps (a website, a chat, the snake game…): https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog/
I am using Hunchentoot, a routing library on top (easy-routes), the Mito ORM, and for the client side I am conservative: HTML templates with Djula, interactivity with HTMX, Vue if required, JS.
The great thing is that I can build a standalone binary of my web app, including the static assets, the webserver, the lisp compiler and debugger… for ±28MB unzipped and instantaneous startup times.
https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/web.html
https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#web-frameworks
https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/lisp-for-the-web-deploy-...
We have a number of libraries that are easy to use together for the backend, no fancy web framework (build your auth page yourself), no fancy client-side lispy libraries. We might have a Fighweel-like tool, but no one is interested (Trident-mode for Emacs).
There's one framework that looks promising to build fully dynamic apps in pure CL with one code base (websockets inside). It provides a GUI-like experience to build all kind of apps (a website, a chat, the snake game…): https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog/
I am using Hunchentoot, a routing library on top (easy-routes), the Mito ORM, and for the client side I am conservative: HTML templates with Djula, interactivity with HTMX, Vue if required, JS.
The great thing is that I can build a standalone binary of my web app, including the static assets, the webserver, the lisp compiler and debugger… for ±28MB unzipped and instantaneous startup times.
https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/web.html
https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#web-frameworks
https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/lisp-for-the-web-deploy-...
I don't understand this reputation either. There are very large systems built on other Lisps. For example, Emacs has a massive amount of Elisp. Elisp is much more primitive than Clojure, and traditionally libraries don't use e.g. data schemas [1] as runtime contracts for data.
Obviously, once a system built on top of a dynamic language grows beyond certain threshold, you need to be very disciplined as there are no static types to ensure some degree of correctness.
[1] https://github.com/plumatic/schema
I was lost when I moved to deps from lein, but just forking and cloning https://github.com/practicalli/clojure-deps-edn as $HOME/.clojure solved the problem - this base deps.edn contained all the aliases I needed - creating a new project, searching and adding dependencies, hooking up data inspectors like portal or reveal, testing, code coverage, benchmarking, building uberjar etc. Moving to deps also introduced me to polylith [1], which has been very useful for building large multi-component projects
[1] https://polylith.gitbook.io/polylith/
> I have mentioned a few times in the past, on HN and Reddit and elsewhere, that my biggest personal dream language wishlist item is “Clojure but with static types”, however, while that’s something I dream of having, it hasn’t held me or the language back in any meaningful way.
Sadly, Rich Hickey has always been pretty opposed to typing in Clojure. Enforcing values to be not null is basically table stakes for typed systems, and yet he doesn’t seem to think it’s valuable or feasible,
https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hi...
It does make me sad every time I have to deal with macro systems in non Lisp languages (Julia, Scala).