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I know HN has something against Blockchain. But there are some really smart people working on the idea of a permanent web.
For instance https://www.arweave.org/ is based on the concept that you prepay for 200 years of storage but storage cost is decreasing over time so it's also like a future option on advance of technology.
I guess people also know IPFS i just didn't see it get mentioned.
And also i hope everyone here who cares about this topic is donating to the Internet Archive which also a solution.
>I think that even when using a third-party server, like, say, Google Groups or https://lists.sr.ht/ for this, the amount of control you get over your data and conversations is much higher than something like Discord. All of the conversations on the list during your membership of it are trivially archivable and searchable using software that is probably built into your operating system.
Again, your statements above emphasize the advantages of client side tools but not the tradeoffs of various server side options for the FOSS admins. You've listed the positives of your use case in multiple messages but surely you'd realize that the tech audience of HN and the FOSS admins are already aware of them.
To make progress, we need to dissect the server landscape from the admins perspective. Consider your proposals of, "Google Groups or https://lists.sr.ht/"
- lists.sr.ht : Costs money. It's not a lot but it's more than $0. (https://sourcehut.org/pricing/) This is also a small hosting business and some project may be uncomfortable basing their discussions there rather than a bigger company like Microsoft/Google/Discord/etc. The sr.ht owner likes to emphasize the infrastructure's "alpha" status which seems like a "caveat emptor" : https://drewdevault.com/2019/01/13/Backups-and-redundancy-at...
- Google Groups : yes its $0 cost but a lot of projects are dissatisfied with GG and want to move away from it to a more modernized[1] discussion software. Examples
--- e.g. Hy Lisp project didn't like GG and eventually settled on migrating to Github Discussions: https://github.com/hylang/hy/issues/1778
(Yes, Github/Microsoft is a walled-garden but that didn't seem to be the biggest concern. Their immediate concert was to switch from GoogleGroups. And Github Discussions being free $0 probably helps.)
--- e.g. TiddlyWiki long thread about moving off of GG to something else: