Google releases Flutter 3.7, teases future of app development framework

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I keep hearing good things about Flutter, it's seems like a bit of a quiet hit. We've added support for Flutter Desktop in the next release of Hydraulic Conveyor so it'll get a lot easier to distribute Flutter apps outside the browser soon. There's a demo of how to package Flutter apps built using Github Actions here:

https://github.com/hydraulic-software/flutter-demo/

(see the conveyor.conf file, it's a normal Flutter Desktop app other than that). That won't work with the current release but we should get the next one out this week or next.

This should be great for people who want to bring their cross-platform mobile app to laptops and other form factors without exploding costs by needing to write/maintain an HTML version too. That duplication really isn't ideal for a lot of reasons e.g. some users will end up trying to use the web version from mobile so you end up with actually 4x frontend dev costs (iOS, Android, web desktop, web mobile) and for smaller projects it's just hard to justify.

Traditionally desktop deployment was a huge pain and that pushes people towards trying to use Chrome for everything, because it handles updates and uploading a few files to a web server is easy. With Conveyor and easily available multi-platform CI for compiles that's fixed now, the hardest part is buying the signing certificates which is just a bit of paperwork and money. The problem with trying to do everything with WebAssembly and canvas is that you're paying a big perf hit and due to cache partitioning you can't really reduce the size hit of an alternative language and graphics stack by amortizing it across different sites like was once possible. And browsers aren't interested in making it easy for people to do that, they want to control the whole experience, so there's lots of paper cuts and apps written with Flutter are ultimately going to be best experienced outside the browser.

[1] https://hydraulic.software/

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Right so, because I care about the web & the dangers this tech represents, I should be ignored. Because I think it's evil & damaging to humanity, you think that means I shouldn't be able to post.

Building a new Flash on the web is a dangerous track to go down, and is bad for society. You've "called me out" on not liking hearing that. You ad-hominem attack the crap out of me when I post. Your qualms are centered around tone-policing, & finding yellow journalistic muckraking/ad-hominem to blow me off, or making off-topic excuses, without addressing core substance.

You're absolutely right that have long been around & made similar comments. Sometimes my language varies. It's yet more very-low-caliber anger to suggest that finding an example or two of somewhat more than mild language- over a fundamentally correct & dangerous issue that absolutely should raise alarm- is enough to cut me off. Where I come from, real & genuine people look for the best interpretations of what the other person is saying. False & shallow people use short & stupid arbitrary hurdles to try to trip each other up. Rather than complain & whine about my tone, you should try understanding & acknowledging the content. Rather than diffuse, you should responsibly acknowledge why feelings are so high here: this is a mortal threat to the worldwide web of information, a subversion of it into another shallow corporate-controlled top-down app delivery platform (like Flash, like native).

This is my track record on this issue of CanvasKit & it's danger. It's not all perfect, but the spirit is correct & wave it proud. This is a core technosocial topic, a good moral & just cause, against a new emerging Flash-grade threat to the internet, wearing a sheep-skin cloak of respectability by declaring Canvas to be equal stature to the HTML "web". I generally am trying pretty hard most of the time to be civil & decent, but yes, you can absolutely find some more radical words in there too, owing to the radical & existential degree of this vast threat.

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