wscl VS rfcs

Compare wscl vs rfcs and see what are their differences.

wscl

Sources of the "Well Specified Common Lisp" specification which is based on the final draft of the Common Lisp standard but is not a new Common Lisp standard. (by s-expressionists)
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wscl

Posts with mentions or reviews of wscl. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2021-11-23.
  • Practical Common Lisp
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 8 Jan 2022
    You can't seriously say that, just because one targets a well-specified machine, that the language being used is well-specified. The determinism of a Clojure-on-JVM program would also be dependent on the particular code the Clojure compiler generates. In Common Lisp there is the Armed Bear Common Lisp implementation, which runs on a JVM. Does it benefit from JVM determinism or not? It probably does not, because the JVM is simply not aware of undefined behaviour that ABCL or Clojure are implicitly defining.

    When it comes to having different platforms, it would also be necessary for any other compilers to generate semantically identical code. Different Clojure systems do _not_ do that. For example, arithmetic in ClojureScript uses JS floats where Clojure-on-JVM and others use integers of some size.

    In my experience, writing a non-conforming CL program is hard, and much harder than writing a program without undefined behaviour in C. I am not sure why, other than vaguely suggesting the UB is more "localised" in some way. But there is also a modification of the ANSI standard being worked on, which attempts to eliminate undefined behaviour <https://github.com/s-expressionists/wscl>.

  • Collective Code Construction Contract
    3 projects | /r/ProgrammingLanguages | 23 Nov 2021
    Common Lisp was standardised by an ANSI committee. Here is a list of issues that were voted on. Nowadays there is also the Well Specified Common Lisp project, but no issues have been voted on yet.
  • Why Lisp?
    10 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 12 Nov 2021
    SICL is still an implementation of Common Lisp, and not of a new programming language (give or take some additional features, such as first-class global environments). That said, there is some overlap between the authors of SICL and the authors of Well Specified Common Lisp <https://github.com/s-expressionists/wscl>; but WSCL only really defines some undefined and contradictory behaviour in the ANSI Common Lisp specification.
  • Revisited: A casual Clojure / Common Lisp code/performance comparison
    3 projects | /r/lisp | 31 Oct 2021
    The HyperSpec is a (derived work of a) language specification - its job is precisely to explain infrequently used things in too much detail. (And it ironically fails in many places.) Generally, one does not want to read a specification, unless they know they need to check something specific.

rfcs

Posts with mentions or reviews of rfcs. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-02-25.
  • Ask HN: What April Fools jokes have you noticed this year?
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 1 Apr 2024
    RFC: Add large language models to Rust

    https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3603

  • Rust to add large language models to the standard library
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 1 Apr 2024
  • Why does Rust choose not to provide `for` comprehensions?
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 11 Mar 2024
    Man, SO and family has really gone downhill. That top answer is absolutely terrible. In fact, if you care, you can literally look at the RFC discussion here to see the actual debate: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/582

    Basically, `for x in y` is kind of redundant, already sorta-kinda supported by itertools, and there's also a ton of macros that sorta-kinda do it already. It would just be language bloat at this point.

    Literally has nothing to do with memory management.

  • Coroutines in C
    4 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 25 Feb 2024
  • Uv: Python Packaging in Rust
    9 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 15 Feb 2024
    Congrats!

    > Similarly, uv does not yet generate a platform-agnostic lockfile. This matches pip-tools, but differs from Poetry and PDM, making uv a better fit for projects built around the pip and pip-tools workflows.

    Do you expect to make the higher level workflow independent of requirements.txt / support a platform-agnostic lockfile? Being attached to Rye makes me think "no".

    Without being platform agnostic, to me this is dead-on-arrival and unable to meet the "Cargo for Python" aim.

    > uv supports alternate resolution strategies. By default, uv follows the standard Python dependency resolution strategy of preferring the latest compatible version of each package. But by passing --resolution=lowest, library authors can test their packages against the lowest-compatible version of their dependencies. (This is similar to Go's Minimal version selection.)

    > uv allows for resolutions against arbitrary target Python versions. While pip and pip-tools always resolve against the currently-installed Python version (generating, e.g., a Python 3.12-compatible resolution when running under Python 3.12), uv accepts a --python-version parameter, enabling you to generate, e.g., Python 3.7-compatible resolutions even when running under newer versions.

    This is great to see though!

    I can understand it being a flag on these lower level, directly invoked dependency resolution operations.

    While you aren't onto the higher level operations yet, I think it'd be useful to see if there is any cross-ecosystem learning we can do for my MSRV RFC: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3537

    How are you handling pre-releases in you resolution? Unsure how much of that is specified in PEPs. Its something that Cargo is weak in today but we're slowly improving.

  • RFC: Rust Has Provenance
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 31 Jan 2024
  • The bane of my existence: Supporting both async and sync code in Rust
    4 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 19 Jan 2024
    In the early days of Rust there was a debate about whether to support "green threads" and in doing that require runtime support. It was actually implemented and included for a time but it creates problems when trying to do library or embedded code. At the time Go for example chose to go that route, and it was both nice (goroutines are nice to write and well supported) and expensive (effectively requires GC etc). I don't remember the details but there is a Rust RFC from when they removed green threads:

    https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/blob/0806be4f282144cfcd55b...

  • Why stdout is faster than stderr?
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 10 Jan 2024
    I did some more digging. By RFC 899, I believe Alex Crichton meant PR 899 in this repo:

    https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/899

    Still, no real discussion of why unbuffered stderr.

  • Go: What We Got Right, What We Got Wrong
    22 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Jan 2024
  • Ask HN: What's the fastest programming language with a large standard library?
    9 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 26 Dec 2023
    Rust has had a stable SIMD vector API[1] for a long time. But, it's architecture specific. The portable API[2] isn't stable yet, but you probably can't use the portable API for some of the more exotic uses of SIMD anyway. Indeed, that's true in .NET's case too[3].

    Rust does all this SIMD too. It just isn't in the standard library. But the regex crate does it. Indeed, this is where .NET got its SIMD approach for multiple substring search from in the first place[4]. ;-)

    You're right that Rust's standard library is conservatively vectorized though[5]. The main thing blocking this isn't the lack of SIMD availability. It's more about how the standard library is internally structured, and the fact that things like substring search are not actually defined in `std` directly, but rather, in `core`. There are plans to fix this[6].

    [1]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/arch/index.html

    [2]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/simd/index.html

    [3]: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/blob/72fae0073b35a404f03c3...

    [4]: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/88394#issuecomment-16...

    [5]: https://github.com/BurntSushi/memchr#why-is-the-standard-lib...

    [6]: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3469

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bubblewrap - Low-level unprivileged sandboxing tool used by Flatpak and similar projects

SICL - A fresh implementation of Common Lisp

crates.io - The Rust package registry

whirlisp - A whirlwind Lisp adventure

polonius - Defines the Rust borrow checker.

clim.flamegraph - Flamegraph-style visualization of sb-sprof results in CLIM

Rust-for-Linux - Adding support for the Rust language to the Linux kernel.

rust-gc - Simple tracing (mark and sweep) garbage collector for Rust

zig - General-purpose programming language and toolchain for maintaining robust, optimal, and reusable software.