unison-nix VS deno

I use both Unison and Nix (and I work on Unison Cloud).

The "oh-so-good" aspect that comes from content-addressed dependencies is definitely there. I've spent a lot of time debugging runtime issues on the JVM because two libraries that I depend on disagree on what version of a common dependency should be on my classpath. This is not something you ever experience with Unison. In the runtime every term and type are identified by their hashes, so there's no (realistic) way that names can collide.

Otherwise, Unison and Nix feel pretty different to me. Nix is generally a build-time language for arbitrary runtimes, while Unison is a general purpose language for a specific runtime.

Nix takes on the really ambitious goal of wrangling ancient projects built with Makefiles and ambient environments into deterministic builds. Through the heroic effort of derivation authors, they've managed to make it work. But it requires those maintainers to do lots of careful manual tracking of dependencies, pre-build source patches, overriding build steps, etc.

Unison takes a much more constrained approach: if we start with a language that is content-addressed at its core and keep running with this idea, where do we end up? One nice outcome of this is that you never need to manually track dependency versions, hashes, etc; the language does that for you.

The "tough" part is also there, but feels different. To me the Nix expression language is straightforward, but I find it difficult to wrap my head around nontrivial derivations. To answer questions like "what attributes and build steps can/should I override" I feel like I have to dig through the layers of the implementation. In Unison a powerful static type system and UIs (both local and Unison Share) that support clicking through to any term/type make it easier for me to digest code. The "tough" parts of Unison generally stem from the young ecosystem: fewer existing libraries, a codebase manager that is under active development and not nearly as stable as git, etc.

If nothing else Unison is worth a try just because it is so different than most other languages/ecosystems.

PS if you are interested in usin Nix to install the Unison codebase manager or to package a program written in Unison these repos might be useful (disclaimer I'm ceedubs):

https://github.com/ceedubs/unison-nix/

NodeJS is the dominant Javascript server runtime environment for Javascript and Typescript (sort of) projects. But over the years, we have seen several attempts to build alternative runtime environments such as Deno and Bun, today’s subject, among others.

https://github.com/denoland/deno/issues is the ideal place -- we try to triage all incoming issues, the more specific the repro the easier it is to address but we will take a look at everything that comes in.

Install Node.js (or Bun, or Deno, or whatever JS runtime you prefer) if it's not there

QUIC is very exciting, after seeing what it can do for performance in Cloudflare network and Cloudflare workers, I can't wait to finally see it in Deno[0] 1.41.

[0] https://github.com/denoland/deno/pull/21942#issuecomment-192...

So as an end user it's kind of like https://deno.com/ where you buy into a runtime + comes prepacked with DBs (k/v stores), scheduling, and deploy stuff?

> by storing Unison code in a database, keyed by the hash of that code, we gain a perfect incremental compilation cache which is shared among all developers of a project. This is an absolutely WILD feature, but it's fantastic and hard to go back once you've experienced it. I am basically never waiting around for my code to compile - once code has been parsed and typechecked once, by anyone, it's not touched again until it's changed.

Interesting. Whats it like upgrading and managing dependencies in that code? I'd assume it gets more complex when it's not just the Union system but 3rd party plugins (stuff interacting with the OS or other libs).

~90MB+ at this stage and do now allow compression without erroring out. Deploying ala Golang is not feasible at that level but could well be down the line if this dev branch is picked up again!

The exe output grew from from ~50MB to plus ~90MB from 2021 to 2024: https://github.com/denoland/deno/discussions/9811 which mean Deno is worse than Node.js's pkg solution by a decent margin.

Behind the scenes is a simple Sveltekit-powered server function to fetch a Spotify client token then find a user's recommendation playlist and its track information. A Deno edge function to performs this data fetch and renders server-side Svelte.

If your application is written in JavaScript, integrating it with JavaScript extensions is a no-brainer. However, Secutils.dev is entirely written in Rust. How would I even begin? Fortunately, I recently came across an excellent blog post series explaining how to implement your JavaScript runtime in a Rust application with Deno: