llvm-project VS serenity

Apple/Clang LLVM fork is open-source, just not upstreamed. No Free Software license requires anyone to upstream their changes.

https://github.com/swiftlang/llvm-project/blob/apple/main/ap...

It’s open source: https://github.com/apple/llvm-project

Well, that's just a lie, stop spreading lies. That tells me that you just dislike apple and have no other argument than "Apple bad". Apple publishes sources for plenty of open-source products they use, even if the license doesn't require it.

Pointer authentication cannot protect against all pointer substitutions, because doing so to arbitrary C++ code would violate language guarantees. https://github.com/apple/llvm-project/blob/next/clang/docs/P... is a good overview of which things can and can’t be signed because of standards compliance.

This sounds like a bug I fixed in Xcode 13 https://github.com/apple/llvm-project/pull/3043

I was curious, and a bit distractible this morning, so I took a look at their git repo. I did some osdev tinkering in college so I find this all interesting. AK seems to be their standard library that you were mentioning, but there's some interesting things going on in their Libraries dir too.

https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/AK/

> https://serenityos.org/

Trad Unix, redone in C++; not self-hosting; project lead has quit to work on a browser.

> https://collapseos.org/

Interesting but mainly for extreme smallness. Forth will alienate a lot of people. For me, Oberon would have been a more interesting basis.

> http://kolibrios.org/en/

Hostile fork of Menuet OS; based on 25YO code.

I mean, yes, it is good there's interesting stuff, but these are not inspiring examples IMHO.

For a little more context, the most controversial of of the pronoun PR request was how Andreas Kling rejected it[0]:

This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics.

There is a "politics" section to the contributing guidelines [1], but this particular change doesn't appear to be covered by them.

[0]: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecommen...

[1]: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/CONTRIBUT...

We could argue about the history of hacker culture and its inclusivity, but it would most likely be just a series of proofless claims from both sides. I personally have never seen or heard of a person rejected from any hacker clique because of their sexual orientation. I've heard of a few having their contributions refused for trying to push political agenda [0], but then again it wasn't their identity that was refused, only the contributions related to advertising that identity.

I don't feel like the neo-queer-hacker culture you're discribing is particularly welcome to anyone who disagrees with them. I've heard of multiple instances of people calling for bans of people who said something in their private lives [1]. That is completely opposite of "inclusive". Inclusivity only matters when it includes people you disagree with.

[0] https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814

Not anymore https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/24648