swc-node VS vike

swc-node is much faster. No typechecking but you can have that running as a separate process with typescript in watch mode. Basically never have to wait for compiles or typechecking checking then.

fwiw swc has an official loader: https://github.com/swc-project/swc-node

I actually just switched my team's app over to use https://github.com/Brooooooklyn/swc-node for our Jest tests, but if we're going to upgrade to Next 12 it'd be nice to reuse whatever's included there.

I actually upgraded my team's Jest config to use https://github.com/Brooooooklyn/swc-node a few weeks ago. However, our Jenkins CI agents run RHEL7, and neither of the Linux binary targets would run. The `x64-gnu` binary needed a `GLIBC_2_23` symbol when only 2.18 was available, and the `x64-musl` binary had no `musl-libc` on the machine. I don't own the Jenkins agents, so I couldn't install other deps myself.

I ended up building `musl-libc` from source on another RHEL7 agent, committed the `.so` to our repo, and added that to the `LD_LIBRARY_PATH` in our Jenkinsfile, and actually got that working.

I did see some mentions that Rust could build to target an older GLibc ( https://kobzol.github.io/rust/ci/2021/05/07/building-rust-bi... ), so I'm curious if Next is going to use copies of SWC built that way for better compat or if it will require more workarounds on my part.

I'm very curious if the Next SWC binaries

Here are some collected notes of the distinctions between SSRx, Vinxi and Vike, to share with anyone else searching the web. Since my Google search came up empty, and I had to ask around on Twitter/X and GitHub to find out.

We're working on exactly this. You can already do this with Triplit but it's challenging to make an out of the box solution because each framework passes context/data different from server to client differently. There's a cool project called [Vike](https://github.com/vikejs/vike) that generalizes this pattern across SSR'd UI frameworks

Anyone have experience with https://github.com/vikejs/vike?

have you seen https://vite-plugin-ssr.com/ ? i've only browsed their docs, but AFAICT their pitch that it's a more DIY approach to a framework, where you keep a lot of control over how things are wired together.

I agree and, as the author of vite-plugin-ssr[1], that's what I recommend to my users: go for static whenever you can.

I think it's something every web developer should be aware of. Static is indeed a lot simpler than dynamic.

I've wrote more about it over here[2] (SSG = static, SSR = dynamic).

[1]: https://vite-plugin-ssr.com

Maybe vite-plugin-ssr? It's pretty unopinionated and doesn't get in your way.

Also have a look at https://vite-plugin-ssr.com/ (author here).

VPS is slightly lower level which gives you a lot more control: integrate with your existing Node.js backend (use any backend framework you want), deploy anywhere, use any React alternative (Solid, Preact, ...) and any data fetching tool (e.g. Relay can't really be used with Next.js).

The flip side is that you've to write a little bit more glue code. Although this will be alleviated by a lot with projects such as Bati[0], Stem[1], and vike-react (see Vike Rebranding[2]).

VPS also cares a ton about details, such as hooks for full control over i18n (use any i18n strategy you want), better Base URL support (VPS supports setting a different base for your server and your CDN), automatic deploy synchronisation, domain-driven file structure, polished and helpful error messages (especially the next upcoming release), ...

Detailed comparison with Next.js: [3].

If you run into any blocker then it's quickly fixed (or at least a workaround is proposed).

It supports not only SSR and pre-rendering, but also SPA in case you don't need SSR. It's going to support RSC but doesn't yet (RSC isn't ready for production).

Because it's lower level and because it's decoupled from React everything is designed in an agnostic way and with meticulous care. In other words: vite-plugin-ssr is becoming a robust foundation. There are breaking changes coming for the v1 release but beyond that chances are that there won't be any breaking change for years in a row.

In a nutshell: vite-plugin-ssr takes care of the frontend and only the frontend. You keep control over your architecture. (Whereas frameworks tend to put themselves right in the middle of your architecture restricting you in fundemetanl ways.)

Last but not least: it's powered by Vite which means blazing fast HMR.

[0] https://batijs.github.io

[1] https://stemjs.com/

[2] https://github.com/brillout/vite-plugin-ssr/issues/736

[3] https://vite-plugin-ssr.com/nextjs-comparison

Now by default, Vite doesn't do SSR. One way to do Vite+SSR is to use vite-plugin-ssr. You can scaffold an example project that does SSR based on some dynamic data:

vite-plugin-ssr