suspend-react VS devtools

We have built the poimandres eco system on suspense. Our state managers use it (Jotai, Valtio), we have specific libraries for it like https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react, and practically everything in three-fiber bases on it. Suspense allows components to handle and orchestrate async tasks, it is as simple as that.

you need to integrate the loading into suspense. react-query for instance. for simple things, async tasks etc, use https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react

you will pretty much always end up with this: https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react a naive caching mechanism. but what you do there probably doesn't work because the components get unmounted, so you loose that flag state. currently the cache is kept in global space, a weakmap or a map, later react will take care of it.

Problems like caching or multiple promises are handled by whichever data fetching solution you use or something generic like suspend-react which will handle them for you.

you don't fetch api with redux. react has suspense, handling async ops is inbuilt into the framework itself. use redux alongside something like this https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react

as for request, you should use suspense for that, routing this through your state manager is a mistake. this is all inbuilt into react now, loading, fallbacks, and composition is better done by react. your state manager could hold a url, but he fetching is done by something like this: https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react

you can use this library: https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react

another thing is, this awful fetching and lifting up thing in react goes completely away with suspense. this will become the norm and code like above will vanish, but did you know that this has been a part of react since 16? for instance: https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react

the problem with this kind of code is that it always gets messy, there's an error or a race somewhere in there and it will only get worse in scale. you can safely remove 95% of that code if you used suspense: https://github.com/pmndrs/suspend-react

Exactly - that's what we've already built for web development at https://replay.io :)

I did a "Learn with Jason" show discussion that covered the concepts of Replay, how to use it, and how it works:

- https://www.learnwithjason.dev/travel-through-time-to-debug-...

Not only is the debugger itself time-traveling, but those time-travel capabilities are exposed by our backend API:

- https://static.replay.io/protocol/

Our entire debugging frontend is built on that API. We've also started to build new advanced features that leverage that API in unique ways, like our React and Redux DevTools integration and "Jump to Code" feature:

- https://blog.replay.io/how-we-rebuilt-react-devtools-with-re...

- https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2023/10/presentations-reac...

- https://github.com/Replayio/Protocol-Examples

Replay's founders originally worked as engineers on the Firefox DevTools (and in fact our debugger client UI started as a fork of the FF Devtools codebase, although at this point we've rewritten basically every single feature over the last year and a half). So, the original Replay implementation started as a feature built into Firefox, and thus the current Replay recording browser you'd download has been our fork of Firefox with all the recording capabilities built in.

But, Chromium is the dominant browser today. It's what consumers use, it's devs use for daily development, and it's what testing tools like Cypress and Playwright default to running your tests in. So, we're in the process of getting our Chromium fork up to parity with Firefox.

Currently, our Chromium for Linux fork is fully stable in terms of actual recording capability, and we use it extensively for recording E2E tests for ourselves and for customers. (in fact, if you want to, all the E2E recordings for our own PRs are public - you could pop open any of the recordings from this PR I merged yesterday [0] and debug how the tests ran in CI.)

But, our Chromium fork does not yet have the UI in place to let a user manually log in and hit "Record" themselves, the way the Firefox fork does. It actually automatically records each tab you open, saves the recordings locally, and then you use our CLI tool to upload them to your account. We're actually working on this "Record" button _right now_ and hope to have that available in the next few weeks.

Meanwhile, our Chrome for Mac and Windows forks are in early alpha, and the runtime team is focusing on stability and performance.

Our goal is to get the manual recording capabilities in place ASAP so we can switch over and make Chromium the default browser you'd download to make recordings as an individual developer. It's already the default for configuring E2E test setups to record replays, since the interactive UI piece isn't necessary there.

Also, many of the new time-travel-powered features that we're building rely on capabilities exposed by our Chromium fork, which the Firefox fork doesn't have. That includes the improved React DevTools support I've built over the last year, which relies on our time-travel backend API to extract React component tree data, and then does post-processing to enable nifty things like sourcemapping original component names even if you recorded a production app. I did a talk just a couple weeks ago at React Advanced about how I built that feature [1]. Meanwhile, my teammate Brian Vaughn, who was formerly on the React core team and built most of the current React DevTools browser extension UI, has just rebuilt our React DevTools UI components and started to integrate time-travel capabilities. He just got a working example of highlighting which props/hooks/state changed for a selected component, and we've got some other neat features like jumping between each time a component rendered coming soon. All that relies on data extracted from Chromium-based recordings.

[0] https://github.com/replayio/devtools/pull/9885#issuecomment-...

[1] https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2023/10/presentations-reac...

I made a Replay recording of the sandbox:

Hiya folks! In addition to all my free time spent working on Redux, answering questions, and modding this sub, my day job is working on Replay.io. Today we're thrilled to announce our new Replay for Test Suites feature, which lets you record and time-travel debug Cypress (and Playwright) E2E tests as they ran in CI!

FWIW, the Firefox devs who were doing the WebReplay time travel debugging POC weren't, as far as I know, fired. Instead, they left and started Replay ( https://replay.io ), a true time-traveling debugger for JavaScript.

I joined Replay as a senior front-end dev a year ago. It's real, it works, we're building it, and it's genuinely life-changing as a developer :)

Not sure how well this would have fit into Firefox as a specific feature, given both the browser C++ runtime customizations and cloud wizardry needed to make this work. But kinda like Rust, it's a thing that spun out of Mozilla and has taken on a life of its own.

Obligatory sales pitch while I'm writing this:

The basic idea of Replay: Use our special browser to make a recording of your app, load the recording in our debugger, and you can pause at any point in the recording. In fact, you can add print statements to any line of code, and it will show you what it would have printed _every time that line of code ran_!

From there, you can jump to any of those print statement hits, and do typical step debugging and inspection of variables. So, it's the best of both worlds - you can use print statements and step debugging, together, at any point in time in the recording.

See https://replay.io/record-bugs for the getting started steps to use Replay, or drop by our Discord at https://replay.io/discord and ask questions.

I also recently did a Learn with Jason show episode based on this, where we went through many of the same topics, and also looked at the Replay.io time-traveling debugger that I build as my day job:

My day job is working at a company called Replay ( https://replay.io ), and we're building a true "time traveling debugger" for JS. Our app is meant to help simplify debugging scenarios by making it easy to record, reproduce and investigate your code.

I currently work for Replay.io, where we're building a true time-travel debugger for JS apps. If you haven't seen it, check it out - it makes debugging so much easier, and I've solved many bugs that would have been impossible otherwise

That's not a "TypeScript" problem. That's a "JS being transpiled and bundled" problem (of which TS is just one possible example of "transpiling").

JS debuggers (browsers, VS Code, etc) normally use sourcemaps to show you what the original source looked like so you can debug that.

Also, I'll put in a plug for my day job, Replay ( https://replay.io ). Our app is meant to help simplify debugging scenarios by making it easy to record, reproduce and investigate your code.

The basic idea of Replay: Use our special browser to make a recording of your app, load the recording in our debugger, and you can pause at any point in the recording. In fact, you can add print statements to any line of code, and it will show you what it would have printed every time that line of code ran!

From there, you can jump to any of those print statement hits, and do typical step debugging and inspection of variables. So, it's the best of both worlds - you can use print statements and step debugging, together, at any point in time in the recording.

See https://replay.io/record-bugs for the getting started steps to use Replay.

Note that Replay also works best when you have sourcemaps, same as the other debugger tools.