shoelace-css VS fast

HTMX gets all the hype right now, but there are other tools in the same vain, my favorite being Unpoly (https://unpoly.com). Together with Shoelace (https://shoelace.style) you get nice GUIs real fast, without the burden of complicated dependency management and build steps. Also, you don't have to write a lot of JS, just what is needed for small enhancements, as it was meant to be. Some might say the main drawback is the tight coupling to your backend. In my case, this is also the main benefit as it integrates perfectly with the backend framework (Django).

Hello HN,

I'm releasing Hyperdiv (https://hyperdiv.io), a framework for rapidly developing reactive browser UIs in Python, with immediate-mode syntax and using Shoelace (https://shoelace.style) as its built-in component system.

This short coding video will give you a good idea of what it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJKfxaqvGE

I wrote a brief article about the motivation and approach: https://hyperdiv.io/intro.html

Hyperdiv doesn't aim to compete with serious full-stack frameworks. The core aim was to make it easy and fast to prototype apps and build UI-based tools. I was originally motivated by internal tools at work -- feeling the need to quickly put together UI-based tools to share with both technical and non-technical coworkers, without having to stand up and maintain a full internal stack.

This is my first major open source release. I really appreciate your feedback and support. - Marius

For example, all the following design systems can be used without tooling (some of them provide ready-to-use bundles, others can be used through import maps): Google's Material Web, Microsoft's Fluent UI, IBM's Carbon, Adobe's Spectrum, Nordhealth's Nord, Shoelace, etc.

Here's what this looks like - note that I'm using Shoelace components for styling purposes.

There are lots of open-source design systems built with Lit. Shoelace is a popular component set that you might check out: https://github.com/shoelace-style/shoelace There are many others...

Would it help if we listed more open source projects on our site?

Because of our focus on components and the fact that you really can use just about any libraries and scaffolding for apps, we don't really have an app starter kit, but it's something we've talked about.

I'm really excited about all this, and it makes me have some faith in the web again. I think that Lit is a step in the right direction especially the ability to do SSR / SSG and hydrate a web page. Hopefully 🤞 Shoelace can get SSR running, which is currently one hurdle, but I think it is achievable.

Similarly to Promises/A+, this effort focuses on aligning the JavaScript ecosystem. If this alignment is successful, then a standard could emerge, based on that experience. Several framework authors are collaborating here on a common model which could back their reactivity core. The current draft is based on design input from the authors/maintainers of Angular, Bubble, Ember, FAST, MobX, Preact, Qwik, RxJS, Solid, Starbeam, Svelte, Vue, Wiz, and more…

If you are generally interested in how to write components that can be used by many frontend libraries (react/vue, etc), you should take a look at https://github.com/microsoft/fast. I was tangentially involved with porting an existing component library to it and the end result was pretty framework agnostic and well made.

Could not have articulated it better, especially when compared to other MS project sites like https://www.fast.design/. Maybe the dev or someone on the team downvoted me :/

I know FAST is not used that much but I wanted to cover it as it seems to be the only library that reflects attributes by default. By default it won't do any type coercion unless you use the mode: "boolean", which works almost like an HTML boolean attribute, except an attribute present but with the value "false" will coerce to a property value of false!

This doesn't mean you are required to write vanilla JavaScript web components either. If you are familiar with using Fast or Lit to write web components you can include those libraries in you Enhance application. However, with the introduction of Enhance base classes for the light and shadow DOM you can get the same DX improvements where you write less boilerplate web component code while enabling the sharing of a render method between the SSR and CSR rendering.

You could take a look at FAST https://www.fast.design/. I know it is not what you asked but ...

FastUI from Microsoft? https://github.com/microsoft/fast

I want to use Fast Components, so I've added the Microsoft.Fast.Components.FluentUI NuGet package and added the relevant CDN script tag to index.html.

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